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Topic: History of Pakistan Posted: 07-May-2011 at 06:12 |
One of the oldest civilizations in the world, the Indus Valley civilization flourished over 5,000 years ago in most areas now in Pakistan. Fossilized remains of Stone Age man have also been discovered in the Chakwal district of the Punjab province of Pakistan. Greeks, Persians, Afghans, Turks, Scythians and armies from Central Asian Countries invaded India-Pakistan over the centuries. Invasion by the Arabs brought Islam to the region, which expanded during the Mughal Empire in the 15th and 16th centuries. The British ruled the region during the 18th century and when they were being forced to leave they divided India in 1947 into two independent countries India and Pakistan. India, Pakistan have never enjoyed good neighborly relations and have fought two wars in 1965 and 1971. The 1971 war resulted in the breaking away of East Pakistan and formation of Bangladesh. Both India and Pakistan got involved in a nuclear arms race with India testing its nuclear weapons and Pakistan retaliating with its own tests in 1998. Since the 2008 Mumbai terrorists attacks India-Pakistan relations dropped to rock bottom and only recently some small steps have been taking in bettering relationship.
Pakistan is bordered by India on the East, China in the North, Iran and Afghanistan to the west and the Arabian Sea towards the South. Pakistan is a country of contrasts in terms of geography and people. Some of the highest peaks in the Himalayan Range, Nanga Parbat and K-2 are in the northern areas of Pakistan. Towards the south major areas of Sindh and Baluchistan are deserts. The major agricultural areas of Pakistan are on the banks of the rivers that feed into the Indus. Cotton, sugar cane, rice and wheat are the major crops grown in Pakistan.
There are predominantly five ethnic races in Pakistan, which are; Punjabi, Pathans, Sindhi, Balochis and the Mohajirs. Their languages are radically different and so are their hereditary backgrounds. They are bound together as a nation and by religion. The people of Pakistan by nature are friendly and hospitable. Even Angelina Jolie commented on the warm hospitality of the people when she visited flood victims camps during the devastating floods of 2010.
Whether you visit Pakistan as a tourist or on business, the visit will remain firmly etched in your memory.
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Posted: 07-May-2011 at 11:59 |
I am not sure if pakistan is central asia but atleast yeah northern parts of pakistan are considered central asian by many
Edited by balochii - 07-May-2011 at 12:00
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PakistaniShield
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Posted: 05-Jun-2011 at 16:15 |
This article isn't accurate and entirely correct. Balochis, Sindhis, Pathans and Punjabis as well as Kashmiris do have similar languages and they are not radically different.
As for the muhajirs they are not an ethnicity but a people of different ethnicities. The Arabs did occupy the Sindh province of Pakistan but it is doubtful they established Islam. Islam is said to have been given by Central Asian turkic armies.
I'm not sure it's the Arab conquest that brought in Islam.
And what does it mean by India-Pakistan? Most Indus Valley history is centered inside Pakistan. If you mean shared histories Pakistan has shared history with almost all it's neighbors not just India
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Posted: 21-Feb-2012 at 23:09 |
Pakistan, like Afghanistan, is the cross roads of C Asia and S Asia ... South-Central Asia :D
Mahmud Ghaznavi (rahimullah) conquered and established Islam in Punjab so it was the Turks and following him the Afghan Ghorids
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Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 15:03 |
^ pakistan is a border between central asia and south asia in my opinion, afghanistan is proper central asia
I think Indus river is the key, any thing east of indus river is south asia and any thing west of indus river is central asia. Indus River cuts pakistan in half if you look at the map. Balochis and Pashtuns are central asian, they are not south asian, while Punjabis and Sindhis to a large degree are south asians. Kashmiries I am not so sure, I think I would consider them central asian because their culture is radically different from south asians
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Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 16:55 |
Pakistan is both south and central asia. And I would say the same for Afghanistan. The Indus river is more towards the east of Pakistan than West.
Well Balochis and Pakhtuns are Iranic peoples and have less Dravidian influence than Sindhis and Punjabis. Kashmiris are a mountain peoples so they were mostly isolated and are probably a good example of more pure Indo-Aryan peoples due to less Dravidian influence. But linguistically they do call under the same category as Punjabis and Sindhis and that is Indo-Aryan.
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Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 19:17 |
I'd like to hear the views of our dravidian friend on this subject
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Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 21:23 |
Originally posted by PakistaniShield
Pakistan is both south and central asia. And I would say the same for Afghanistan. The Indus river is more towards the east of Pakistan than West.
Well Balochis and Pakhtuns are Iranic peoples and have less Dravidian influence than Sindhis and Punjabis. Kashmiris are a mountain peoples so they were mostly isolated and are probably a good example of more pure Indo-Aryan peoples due to less Dravidian influence. But linguistically they do call under the same category as Punjabis and Sindhis and that is Indo-Aryan.
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Indus river pretty much runs through central pakistan: also I wouldn't include afghanistan as part south/central asia, their culture has almost nothing to do with south asia (India) they are radically different in every way possible. While eastern pakistan (punjab, sindh) they are mostly a indic people still with limited influences from central asia., Baloch and Pashtuns are also very different from the indic populations
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Posted: 23-Feb-2012 at 18:50 |
I agree that Indus is actually center of Pakistan mostly, but Afghanistan does have cultural ties to such as clothing, linguistics etc. Besides south and central asia are geographic terms.
Indo-Aryan peoples and Iranic peoples constitute one larger race of Indo-Iranic peoples. So they are common. The Indo-Aryan speakers of India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are Indo-Aryan mainly by language, not by race. Kashmiris for instance are an Indo-Aryan (Dardic) people not Iranic.
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Posted: 23-Feb-2012 at 23:58 |
clothing, if you are talking about (shalwar) actually came from central asia, its not south asian
as for linguistics indo aryan/ indo iranians languages might have been related in the past when Sanskrit and Avestan existed, but now they are world apart. Just look at the difference between a language like pashto and punjabi
also dardic language are actually a bridge between indo iranian and indo aryan, but still with huge differences, (kashmiri) for example is world a part from punjabi
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Posted: 24-Feb-2012 at 21:36 |
^^ Not very accurate. I never stated the clothing came form South Asia, but the fact is most peoples in Pakistan and Afghanistan use. Dardic is by no means a "bridge" between Iranic and Indo-Aryan. (Iranic+Indo-Aryan=Indo-Iranic just to clear confusion). Dardic is a term used for individual Indo-Aryan languages, not belonging to a subbranch inside the Indo-Aryan family. For example Sindhi and Punjabi belong to the Northwestern Indo-Aryan subgrouping, wheras the Dardic languages do not band together under any subgoruping but stand as individual Indo-Aryan languages.
It does not matter how far apart they are today int terms of mutual understanding amongst their speakers. Take for example German and English, 2 Western Germanic languages, very distinct from one another, but once you go beyond phonetics and compare their syntax, the two languages are first cousins.
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Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 11:44 |
In my opinion (you may differ), considering linguistics, history and geo-politics, Pakistan lies in three Cultural Spheres: Greater India, Greater Iran and Greater Tibet 1. Punjab, Sind and Azad Kashmir lies in Greater India 2. F.A.T.A. lies in Greater Iran 3. In Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa: a.) Hazara, Kohat, Peshawar, Bannu and Dera Ismail Khan lies in Great India b.) Chitral, Dir-Swat, Buner and Kohistan lies in Greater Iran 4. In Balochistan: a.) Quetta-Pishin, Zhob, Loralai, Chagai, Kharan and Makran lies in Greater Iran b.) Kohlu, Dera Bugti, Sibi, Kachhi, Sarawan, Jhalawan and Las Bela lies in Greater India 5. In Gilgit-Baltistan a.) Gilgit and Hunza lies in Greater Iran b.) Baltistan lies in Greater Tibet
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Posted: 01-Mar-2012 at 14:11 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
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My view is, that history of Pakistan began with the Mughals and their conquests in South Asia. All prior history of current Pak territory belongs to the Indians only. Likewise American history before 1492 belongs to the Natives only, not the "USA", "Brazil", etc.
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Posted: 01-Mar-2012 at 17:55 |
Nonsense. Pakistanis aren't some "off-shoot" of the Mughals. We are indigenous people of the land.
I can't believe this is being suggested. There is nothing to argue over.
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Posted: 01-Mar-2012 at 19:23 |
Welcome back Dravidian. How are you, old friend?
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Posted: 02-Mar-2012 at 02:20 |
Actually comparing Brahui people with South Indian Dravidians is like comparing Anatolian Turks with North Chinese Tungusic people; or Hausa people from Nigeria with Khuzistanis from Iran; or East Indian Bengalis with Scandinavians... except some Stone Age linguistic ties, these people don't share ay historical or cultural heritage. Brahui speaking Baloch tribes are part of Greater Iranian Cultural Sphere in all respects.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2012 at 14:23 |
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Thanks bro. Well, I'm doing some research on the IVC. There are also some new megalithic findings in South India. I will try to summarize everything for interested readers when time allows it.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2012 at 14:28 |
That will be interesting and helpful here!Regards!Is it dating of site known?
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Posted: 02-Mar-2012 at 19:08 |
Originally posted by Ancient Dravidian
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Thanks bro. Well, I'm doing some research on the IVC. There are also some new megalithic findings in South India. I will try to summarize everything for interested readers when time allows it. |
Thanks Dravidian. Looking forward to it
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