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    Posted: 05-May-2011 at 23:26
one thing that really bugs me is that often whenever i speak to outsiders they consider all of india, pakistan, bangladesh,sri lanka the same country or the same people. Their ignorance is just too much. Its like calling all of europe as one with same culture, language, looks etc.... How would it look if you call a greek person as same to a English or a Swedish person? South asia is a really diverse land.

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The ignorant will always be with you.....take comfort in the fact that not all remain so...nor wish too.
But then again I don't consider them outsiders.....just ignorant.Wink
 
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2011 at 09:00
Originally posted by balochii

one thing that really bugs me is that often whenever i speak to outsiders they consider all of india, pakistan, bangladesh,sri lanka the same country or the same people. Their ignorance is just too much. Its like calling all of europe as one with same culture, language, looks etc.... How would it look if you call a greek person as same to a English or a Swedish person? South asia is a really diverse land.

Culturally and physically the Englishman is little different from the Swede, German or Dutchman. They even share the same language (an ancient form of German)
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2011 at 09:14
Ignorance would be most known answer about it.My knowledge about South Asia ancient,medieval and
modern history have a lot of empty rows,pages and chapters.


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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2011 at 12:31
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Originally posted by balochii

one thing that really bugs me is that often whenever i speak to outsiders they consider all of india, pakistan, bangladesh,sri lanka the same country or the same people. Their ignorance is just too much. Its like calling all of europe as one with same culture, language, looks etc.... How would it look if you call a greek person as same to a English or a Swedish person? South asia is a really diverse land.

Culturally and physically the Englishman is little different from the Swede, German or Dutchman. They even share the same language (an ancient form of German)
 
yes same is the case with Pakistanis (punjabies,sindhis) with north indians, not so much difference but often i heard people saying Pakistan is the same as Bangladesh or even Sri Lanka, thats like saying English/Swedish are the same as greeks. I think one of the problems is that India the country itself is diverse and it is (one) country, thats why people might get confused, technically India can be divided in to many small countries, just like Europe
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I put part of the blame on the PC police of the UK and USA. They insist on calling orientals 'Asian Americans', even though they are from the orient and have little in common with the rest of Asia, racially. I guess the rest of Asia doesn't matter.  They would like us to call occidentals, 'European Americans', but it hasn't really caught on. I suppose the caucasions from Africa and Asia don't matter either. Especially since the smaller group in Africa is the negroid race, and yet they are referred to as 'African Americans'.  In the effort to please everyone politically, they are also dumbing everyone down.
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It depends what you mean. In the UK people are very aware of the difference, but also see a simularity. If you apply for a job you will be asked your ethnic background. There will be a category "Asian" covering Bangladeshi, British, Indian, Maldives, Pakistani, African, Sri Lankan and the Carribean, but then subcategories with these groups in. I noticed you left British, Carribean and African out of your list.... Ignorance?
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-May-2011 at 18:02
Originally posted by balochii

one thing that really bugs me is that often whenever i speak to outsiders they consider all of india, pakistan, bangladesh,sri lanka the same country or the same people. .
Probably because of the past usage of country names in a broad sense. Great Britan administered Pakistan, India and Bangladesh as "India". Then Pakistan and Bagladesh were refered to as "Pakistan".
 
Also, consider that until recently, most European countries were either largely mono-ethnic or comprised of people with similar cultural identities who had lived as a single country for centuries. So to many, it would follow that a region once known as "India" would be comprised of "Indians" similar to France being comprised of "French". 


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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-May-2011 at 18:30
Originally posted by Pytheus

It depends what you mean. In the UK people are very aware of the difference, but also see a simularity. If you apply for a job you will be asked your ethnic background. There will be a category "Asian" covering Bangladeshi, British, Indian, Maldives, Pakistani, African, Sri Lankan and the Carribean, but then subcategories with these groups in. I noticed you left British, Carribean and African out of your list.... Ignorance?

Strangely enough, Chinese is viewed as a separate race from Asian
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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2011 at 02:23
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Originally posted by balochii

one thing that really bugs me is that often whenever i speak to outsiders they consider all of india, pakistan, bangladesh,sri lanka the same country or the same people. .
Probably because of the past usage of country names in a broad sense. Great Britan administered Pakistan, India and Bangladesh as "India". Then Pakistan and Bagladesh were refered to as "Pakistan".
 
Also, consider that until recently, most European countries were either largely mono-ethnic or comprised of people with similar cultural identities who had lived as a single country for centuries. So to many, it would follow that a region once known as "India" would be comprised of "Indians" similar to France being comprised of "French". 
 
true, but technically huge difference exists, for example once these two populations were under british india and in same country
 
Pashtuns (Northern Pakistan)
 
 
Tamils (southern India)
 
 
 


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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2011 at 02:29
^ those are physical differences, but cultural and language difference are even more.
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  Quote innocent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2011 at 05:44
Thats true the physical and cultural difference in India are there as you move down south. In general most of the north Indian cannot even tell which language is being spoken (Tamil, Telugu, Malayam, Kannada) if someone speaks to them in any of these....the un-educated or semi-educated people in North India even dont know the name of these four languages. If you see the writting script its even worse (too hard to tell) .... The point I want to make here is that apart of all this the Indians from North to South and East to West  are tied with a delicate thread of a common culture, which we all share with each other. Someone rightly said that India is museum of Races.
 
On other hand regarding the phustuns, baloch and iranians they are definitely caucasian looking people. Specially phustuns who are very good looking and tall.


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  Quote innocent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2011 at 05:47

Regarding intellecutal capabilities and standard of living I found South Indians very good. They have developed good infrastructure and live in very clean and hygenic manner. Produced lots of scientists , mathematicians , software engineers etc.

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Looking at the photo above of the Pashtuns reminded me of one or two things. In northern India and Pakistan there are people called the Jats(I've no idea if the Pashtuns are related in any way) and the Jats are related to the Jutes who arrived in England with the Angles and the Saxons. The Jats are also meant to be related to the Alani(they got around a bit). The Chinese said the Yueshi became known as the Alani. The Yueshi are also known to be those who founded the Kushan Empire. The Greeks say the Asii founded the Kushan Empire. The Asii is also one of the names the Alani are known under(there's a lot of them). The Kushan Empire also covers the area, I think, where the people in the picture are from. 
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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2011 at 12:41
^ jats are small percetage of punjabies, but overall jatts are related to pashtuns, they did come from the present day afghan/pak border. Pashtuns dna has shown they are probably related to the indo aryans who came from central asia or anatolia in ancient times, even kalash and other dardic popultions of northern pakistan/kashmir areas are indo aryans. These populations are related to their european cousins who split long time ago, maybe some 4000 years ago. The punjabi and other north indic population also have indo aryan dna, but they also have huge amounts of ancestoral south indian dna, thats why most other indic populations dont look that much caucasian. The more east and south you go in to south asia, the less genetic influence of indo aryans occurs, south indians or bengalis probably dont have influence from indo aryans

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[QUOTE=balochii]^ jats are small percetage of punjabies, but overall jatts are related to pashtuns, they did come from the present day afghan/pak border. Pashtuns dna has shown they are probably related to the indo aryans who came from central asia or anatolia in ancient times, even kalash and other dardic popultions of northern pakistan/kashmir areas are indo aryans. These populations are related to their european cousins who split long time ago, maybe some 4000 years ago. The punjabi and other north indic population also have indo aryan dna, but they also have huge amounts of ancestoral south indian dna, thats why most other indic populations dont look that much caucasian. The more east and south you go in to south asia, the less genetic influence of indo aryans occurs, south indians or bengalis probably dont have influence from indo aryans[/QUOTE

This is a good link, adding more details about the Jats. http://www.bestindiansites.com/culture/jats-culture.html
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