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    Posted: 03-Dec-2010 at 04:50

most of the Gandhi's ideas dont work in real and real situations, so why does he have a cult following??? we all know he was also a very racist person against blacks in africa, how come that is never highlighted?? also it is known he use to drink his own urine Wink

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  Quote Konstantinhaunstrup Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Dec-2010 at 07:09
I think theres a big difference between reality and ideals. People need some ideals to follow, just like religion - only in Ghandi's case you could actually see him. 
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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2010 at 02:53
drinking cow urine and own urine??? no thanks
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They also make Ice Cream.  My fav. is Pisstacio.                                                       Big smile
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2010 at 08:17
Originally posted by balochii

most of the Gandhi's ideas dont work in real and real situations, so why does he have a cult following??? we all know he was also a very racist person against blacks in africa, how come that is never highlighted?? also it is known he use to drink his own urine Wink

 
 
 
Balocchi, provide some sources for this.  Gandhi's ideas worked pretty well for Martin Luther King. 
 
As for the racist thing, same.  Provide some sources, or your just trolling.
 
 
You can also consider yourself officially warned.  Trolling, trying to incite a flame war etc.
 
 
 
 


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2010 at 09:18
History figures are always created around some idea/ideal!?!This one is peaceful disobedience,good one.  Trough them always some group,inside or outside,control system/country.Interesting thing is that this man become famous because of  propaganda from his "enemies".They need figure that will represent there interests in India.Very same like hippie movement.From movement for control of youths it is grown in fashion behavior.Smile

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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2010 at 13:51
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Originally posted by balochii

most of the Gandhi's ideas dont work in real and real situations, so why does he have a cult following??? we all know he was also a very racist person against blacks in africa, how come that is never highlighted?? also it is known he use to drink his own urine Wink

 
 
 
Balocchi, provide some sources for this.  Gandhi's ideas worked pretty well for Martin Luther King. 
 
As for the racist thing, same.  Provide some sources, or your just trolling.
 
 
You can also consider yourself officially warned.  Trolling, trying to incite a flame war etc.
 
 
read about his years in south africa, actually just google it, there is lots of material about his racism
 
 
 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Dec-2010 at 11:48
No, you posit, then you are responsible for sources.  You have what right now seems like a valid point. Support it.
No uni level professor would let you get away with that on a paper.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2011 at 21:10
I'm rather concerned about Gandhi's admirer Anna Hazare. His supporters utilise many fascist methods: intimidating opponents, assaulting farmers who grow grain for alcohol production, and destroying property, despite his claims of being nonviolent. Hazare supports forced sterilisation and wants to introduce the death penalty for corruption. He flogged people in his village who refused to become vegetarians, supported the persecution of Muslims, and attempted to create a superhuman personality-cult by publicly fasting. His decision to wear pyjamas rather than a suit draw parallels with Codreanu and Franco who encouraged the use of traditional dress.
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  Quote Baal Melqart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2011 at 09:01
But Nick, none of this applies to Ghandi himself does it? I'm quite shocked from what I read from balochii's post, I could never imagine Ghandi as a racist...Confused
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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2011 at 11:38
^ not racist in american or western sense, but he had caste system hindu mentality and viewed africans as low, just like dalits in india
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  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2011 at 12:34
Originally posted by balochii

^ not racist in american or western sense, but he had caste system hindu mentality and viewed africans as low, just like dalits in india

Usually, balochii, when making such accusations it is customary to add evidence in the form of links, or supply some when asked.  
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2011 at 13:04
Gandhi resented Africans, deeming them "kaffirs" and refused to share a cell with black prisoners. He wanted better treatment for Indians at the expense of other minorities
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2011 at 19:21
Supriesd are we? Why? All of the alleged greats have had their personable foibles....and over and over again the Wolf must remind the innocent that context in for an era.. must be examined. Even with and because one would attempt to draw a nexus with another era and or even later in the same.
 
Gandhi...for all his hype is no different.
 
He was a bigot as much as any of the alleged greats with a nationalistic agenda for those whom were first in representation....nothing new. As for sources and links reference this they permeate the net. Nick has given you one. There are many more. The only question to be resolved is whether one believes the veracity of any of them.Wink


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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2011 at 19:35
some time ideas get front of men. ghandi is not just ghandi, he is also symbol. national symbol as flag. his peace identity just came from his ability of gaining indian independence without guns and also his wish of equality for indian people as colonists (not world peace or human rights)

and also you can't anaylse him in today's perspective. he died in 1948 but in that time and next 20 years still there wasn't equality between white americans and afro-americans (Afro-americans civil right movement 1955-1968).

but thank you, nick and balochii. black people and gandhi situation is unknown interesting information.
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2011 at 19:47
''and also you can't anaylse him in today's perspective.''
 
Aha... a scholar in the making......Clap
 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Sep-2011 at 10:20
Originally posted by balochii

^ not racist in american or western sense, but he had caste system hindu mentality and viewed africans as low, just like dalits in india
 
 
2nd time Balocchi.  Provide sources please, otherwise, your just halfa**ing it.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Sep-2011 at 10:55
Red, see my link above
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Sep-2011 at 12:54
Yep, saw it. A good one also.  However, I would prefer that Balocchii provide his own.  He knows better, this isn't the first time I've had to caution him.
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There is no doubt that this statement is his own, since he wrote on the Indian post: 'Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals... The kaffirs' sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness. They're loafers... a species of humanity almost unknown among the Indians'

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