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Title: Slavery From Islamic and Christian Perspectives
by Sayyid Sa'eed Akhtar Rizvi

CONTENTS

Chapter 1
Slavery in Ancient Times

Chapter 2
Christianity and Slavery

Chapter 3
Islam Attacks Slavery

Chapter 4
Slaves in the History of Islam

Chapter 5
The Origin of Negro Slavery

Chapter 6
Christians Organise Slave-Trade

Chapter 7
East African Slave-Trade

Chapter 8
Sufferings of Slaves

Chapter 9
Churches Participate in Slave-Trade

Chapter 10
Why Slavery Was Abolished

Chapter 11
Hypocricy Of The Abolitionists

Chapter 12
Was American Civil War To Emancipate The Slaves

Chapter 13
Territorial Slavery
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jul-2009 at 10:31
Let me see.....
 
Islamic slavery was a compassionate system populated by happy slaves and wise owners. Christian slavery was brutal and oppressive. The author ignores the fact that Christianity, like Islam permits slavery but also calls for just treatment of slaves.  "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28.   Some individual Christian particpants in the slave trade, like individual Muslim participants, renounced their activities. John Newton, an English slave trader wrote, the hymn "Amazing Grace".  And yes, individual Christian slave owners, like individual Islamic slave owners often put profit ahead of religious principal.
 
The reason why large scale slavery did not develop in Islamic societies has nothing to do with the mythical greater compassion of Islamic leaders or a greater sense of compassion in Islamic culture. Instead, the lack of large scale slavery is simply because the geography of the Middle East does not support large scale, labor intensive agriculture. As a result, Islamic societies "needed" far fewer slaves.  
 
In addition, Christians, not Muslims happened to first develop the technology (reliable ships) to not only transport goods to and from the New World, but also to transport slave labor.  Had Islamic Berbers and Arabs from Morrocco or Spain discovered the New World, developed the technology to settle it and to exploit its potential for large scale agriculture, then the same number of slaves would have been purchased, transported and worked under the same conditions for the same duration of time. The only interesting difference is that large parts of the Carribean and Brazil would be Arabic speaking and Islamic today.


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  Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jul-2009 at 11:29
Islamic slavery was a compassionate system populated by happy slaves and wise owners. Christian slavery was brutal and oppressive.

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This sounds like propaganda to me and in fact Islamic slavey was no less brutal. I would suggest reading; Legcay of Jihad by Dr. Bostom or any of the recent books about the US war with the barbery pirates and the fate of those caputred. Plus, slavery goes against the very teachings of Christ but he was he as a means for salvation to man and not to create social change- this is what mainstream Christains believe including Orthodox Christians.

slavery ended in Europe long ago but in some Muslims countries it still went on till recent times and some believe it still goes on but more hidden. I hate slavery period and it is a shame all humans bear but today we have wage slaves pushed by multi national corporations.
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  Quote kaznder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Aug-2009 at 02:42
I agree with you eaglecap that slavery in Islam was no less brutal, but i must insist on two point:

1. In Islam slavery was permitted but not loved, actually there is no difference between any Muslims slaves or free, rich or poor etc... Islam placed Direct and efficient ways to fight slavery, If you know the Great Islam then you sure have the knowledge that between many great deeds in Islam that ALLAH the All Merciful grants great blessings on is freeing a slave, a tied neck as expressed in the Holy Quran, many of the sins that Muslims do can be forgiven by freeing a slave....so Slavery in Islam was not forbidden from the first time, and actually that's the way the Great Islam uses to Stop Ancient evil Traditions, I mean the wine wasn't totally forbidden until the people understood and absorbed the Faith in their hearts, in three different positions in the Holy Quran you'll Find three verses gradually ending the wine, and with such style the laws Islam placed slavery was supposed to end, because if you calculate it the sins forgiven by freeing a slave is small and almost everyone falls in, thus by time with the new slaves from the conquests all slaves would eventually be freed.........the Great Prophet Mohamed ordered the Muslims in a direct language "your slaves are your brothers placed under your hand by the Will of ALLAH, so feed them from what you eat, and dress them from what you wear, and never to give them job over their powers and if you did then help them in it"   that's how the prophet Mohamed saw the slaves as our brothers..... and another thing In Europe was ended by social and political conducts but In the Great Islam we have what will as i said eventually kill slavery which is a stain in human history .........which leads to my second point ..........

2.not because some ignorant and stupid people understood the Great Islam Wrongly and acted upon it with their own free will that that will mean that Islam is responsible for every single mistake they do, i mean for example Timur lank is considered a great Islamic conqueror in the world history, but he attacked Islamic kingdoms and destroyed many cities and slaughtered many people how come he is an Islamic Conqueror, he is just another conqueror to me ......... Al Qaida Is to you a terriost organization what do you think it is to us ?.......... many people in history were called Mujahdeen and were considered but they killed Innocent and unarmed people that's not Jihad, for the last time and please try to read this with an open mind Jihad is a defensive Mechanism aims to defend the Muslims and when others wedge war on us we won't give them the chance to attack first, Its about the initiative in war, as for all the conquests that you may describe as Islamic Jihad is nothing but Royal conquests to widen the kingdoms, Its very rare to find a real Conqueror who actually fights In the Way Of ALLAH........so to sum it up any war wedged by Muslims is not considered Jihad Its considered a conquest, unless the others start the calling for war against Muslims Muslims has no RIGHT to attack...I'm not denying that there were shameful acts in the midst of all these wars but so as the others we are Humans and we fight like humans and in the end all kills all.........

so in the real end and I'm talking to the Muslims here, stop doing things in the name of Islam which you only want, specially those that the Islam forbids, because as we have learned that anything a Muslim will do will be framed to the Islam, specially the wrong acts......thanks for your time...........


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  Quote kaznder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Aug-2009 at 02:50
Oh and by the way I totally forgot about this point, in the Islamic countries there is no such thing as slavery and if some people were discovered to actually buy and sell humans they will be punished by the law, something like that i don't deny to be true but it happens as a crime not something agreed upon and will be punished if discovered........but generally on the public level there is nothing called slavery in our countries, I know Egypt has none..........
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Aug-2009 at 06:29
Originally posted by kaznder

Oh and by the way I totally forgot about this point, in the Islamic countries there is no such thing as slavery and if some people were discovered to actually buy and sell humans they will be punished by the law, ......but generally on the public level there is nothing called slavery in our countries
 
I agree, slavery involving the direct buying and selling of human beings is either very rare or non existant.
 
What usually happens in modern times is that the slavery takes the form of a very long term forced labor "contract". Other slaves are obtained by family debt or even inherited debts. The human beings are not sold, but their labor contracts can be. In some cases the cntract slaves are paid only in food and housing. In other cases, they may receive a small wage that rapidly dwindles to nothing once the owner deducts "expenses" (contract slave is required to "rent" equipment used at work etc.) Often, the "contract worker" is forced to take on additional debt to the owner and this extends his unwilling labor contract even further.
 
Modern slave owners, and modern slaves, can be Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc.  The modern slave system is supported by local police, judges, and officially tolerated hired criminals who enforce unwilling labor "contracts" or debt servitude laws and  punish those modern slaves attempting to flee. 


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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Aug-2009 at 10:11
I think any form of slavery is shameful, I can't understand how a person who is considered to be the property of another one can be happy!!
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