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PakistaniShield
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Topic: How much of pakistan was part of Afghanistan? Posted: 25-Sep-2009 at 06:54 |
Oh and regarding the haplogroups you are correct Pakistan is almost entirely R1A geneticly with a pinch of Q, J1 and significant L markers carried by the mohajirs & perhaps the brahuis.
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Posted: 25-Sep-2009 at 07:41 |
^ L is actually found in Northern Pakistanis (dards) but also south indians aswell
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Posted: 26-Sep-2009 at 02:00 |
Originally posted by balochii
^ L is actually found in Northern Pakistanis (dards) but also south indians aswell |
No it's not. A small percentage is found in the Kalash, because scientists propose that people of haplogroup L crossed over from Africa into inida and left small trails of it wherever they passed through its also found in Tajikistan and part of Uzbekistan & Afghanistan
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Zomaan Shilogh Dyak
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Posted: 26-Sep-2009 at 03:03 |
Chitralis, culturally speaking, in fact have more in common with a Turkmen, Tajik or Hazara than with Nuristanis.
This is because of socio-political reasons more then anything else. The people of Upper Chitral (The Khow) have always traded almost exclusively north of the Hindukush. Even linguistically, Khowar (although a Dardic language) has many elements from the Ghalcha languages (Wakhi, Shugnani, Sarikoli etc.) Farsi was the language of the state and the educated class until the 1950's.
This is why Chitralis are so different from the other Dardic peoples, who remained far more isolated. As a result of this the Nuristanis (and even the Kalash) have more in common with the people of Diamer and Kohistan than with their neighbours the Khow.
It was only during the 1800's that the Chitrali State started interacting/trading with the Pashtuns of Kunar, Dir and Swat. Culturally, Pashtuns and Chitralis have little in common.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2009 at 09:19 |
Originally posted by Zomaan Shilogh Dyak
Chitralis, culturally speaking, in fact have more in common with a Turkmen, Tajik or Hazara than with Nuristanis. |
Can you provide any examples of this? For example do Chitralis use yurts like Turkmens, Uzbeks or other Altaic peoples or other exmaples?
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Posted: 02-Oct-2009 at 03:04 |
it is also quite feasable to say that the highlands of Afghanistan once belonged to Pakistan. The main confusion arises because of the name "Afghanistan" which Pakistan is no longer known by. There are currently more Pashtuns in Pakistan than in Afghanistan also. < id="gwProxy" ="">< ="jsCall;" id="jsProxy" ="">
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Posted: 02-Oct-2009 at 10:58 |
Originally posted by pratishtha
it is also quite feasable to say that the highlands of Afghanistan once belonged to Pakistan. The main confusion arises because of the name "Afghanistan" which Pakistan is no longer known by. There are currently more Pashtuns in Pakistan than in Afghanistan also. < id="gwProxy" ="">< ="jsCall;" id="jsProxy" ="">
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yes they were under Sikh rule. You are also right about the Pashtun question. Eastern Afghans being caucasianoid have more in common with Pakistanis then they do with their countrymen in the northwestern parts of Afghanistan whom are racially Mongoloid.
And recent material i read on wikipedia (cant trust it to be true) claims that the eastern afghans migrated out of western Pakistan and settled into eastern Afghanistan
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Posted: 03-Oct-2009 at 06:42 |
Uzbeks my friend do not live in Yurts and are not at all nomadics.
Some examples would be our music, cuisine (the the most famous dish of Chitral is Kalli or laghman as it is known as farther north) and dress (the Shuka), in the past all of these things were even more strongly indicative of Central Asian influence but it is dminishing. Our upper classes no longer wear the the small Central Asian turbans and silken chappan robes, and few people speak Farsi.
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Posted: 03-Oct-2009 at 07:06 |
Here's what appears to be a picture of an Uzbek woman in an Uzbek yurt:
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Posted: 03-Oct-2009 at 13:06 |
Her clothing seems to be Uzbek but she must be from some nomadic group, close to Uzbeks, living in Uzbekistan. Most probably Karakalpak.
The Uzbeks are not at all nomadic, the Uzbeks and Uyghurs are the only two completely non-nomadic groups in Central Asia.
By the way, even the traditional wedding jewelry of our women is of the same type as hers, incuding the headdress.
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Posted: 03-Oct-2009 at 15:17 |
Originally posted by PakistaniShaheen
Originally posted by pratishtha
it is also quite feasable to say that the highlands of Afghanistan once belonged to Pakistan. The main confusion arises because of the name "Afghanistan" which Pakistan is no longer known by. There are currently more Pashtuns in Pakistan than in Afghanistan also. < id="gwProxy" ="">< ="jsCall;" id="jsProxy" ="">
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yes they were under Sikh rule. You are also right about the Pashtun question. Eastern Afghans being caucasianoid have more in common with Pakistanis then they do with their countrymen in the northwestern parts of Afghanistan whom are racially Mongoloid.
And recent material i read on wikipedia (cant trust it to be true) claims that the eastern afghans migrated out of western Pakistan and settled into eastern Afghanistan
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yes they came from Sulieman mountain range in western pakistan, thats there just north of Quetta
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Posted: 04-Oct-2009 at 08:52 |
Originally posted by Zomaan Shilogh Dyak
Her clothing seems to be Uzbek but she must be from some nomadic group, close to Uzbeks, living in Uzbekistan. Most probably Karakalpak.
The Uzbeks are not at all nomadic, the Uzbeks and Uyghurs are the only two completely non-nomadic groups in Central Asia.
By the way, even the traditional wedding jewelry of our women is of the same type as hers, incuding the headdress. |
She's clearly Uzbek as the website states.
Almost all Altaic peoples lead nomadic lifestyles and own yurts.
Well Uzbek culture is somewhat influenced by Iranic cultures like Pashtun and Persian so that's maybe where you'll find a 'connection'.
But most of their culture, genetics & linguistics matches those of other Altaic nations. Azerbaijanis and Antatolians don't really count since they are mostly Altaic by language not by race or culture.
Edited by PakistaniShaheen - 08-Oct-2009 at 12:03
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Posted: 08-Oct-2009 at 07:26 |
Agreed. It is the Iranic element that links us.
Classic Persian culture has always been the High Culture of Central Asia, until the Russians showed up anyway.
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