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""On the contrary, if that were the case, the earth would not vie in keeping an even and uniform pace with the minutes of heaven, the pranas of the times. [...] All heavy things are attracted towards the center of the earth. [...] The earth on all its sides is the same; all people on earth stand upright, and all heavy things fall down to the earth by a law of nature, for it is the nature of the earth to attract and to keep things, as it is the nature of water to flow, that of fire to burn, and that of wind to set in motion The earth is the only low thing, and seeds always return to it, in whatever direction you may throw them away, and never rise upwards from the earth."
 
"Bodies fall towards the earth as it is in the nature of the earth to attract bodies, just as it is in the nature of water to flow."
 
It is just amazing that how many ideas usually considered to be purely of European origin had their counterparts in the other cultures like China and subcontinent much before their discovery in the cultures of Europe. 
 
 
 
 
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Newton's law does not say the bodies fall towards the Earth, but that there's an attraction force between any two bodies proportional to their masses and inverse proportional to the square of the distance between them.
Almost a millenium before Brahmagupta, the Greek philosophers (e.g. Aristotle) developed similar ideas, and also some Hindu philosophers. However, Newton's law is not that bodies fall (probably that was empirically noticed by cavemen, too), but there's an attraction force between any two bodies. Newton's law owes much to Hooke, but almost nothing to Brahmagupta.
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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jan-2008 at 05:39
A qualatative description about gravity would not be difficult for any astronomer.
Any astronomer who has a reasonable knowledge of the solar system - as Indian astronomers quite possibly did, it would not be hard to see that bodies of mass attract one another.

That is not Newtons Law of Gravity however. When you see
F = G m1 m2 / d^2
in the Brahmagupta then you can start to be excited.
Newtons law isn't that things fall towards the earth. Any idiot can see that things fall towards the earth.


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The problem is that most idiots think thats what he discovered.
 
Well his most important law is the law of interia, a body in motion will stay in motion until an external force acts on it.
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""On the contrary, if that were the case, the earth would not vie in keeping an even and uniform pace with the minutes of heaven, the pranas of the times. [...] All heavy things are attracted towards the center of the earth. [...] The earth on all its sides is the same; all people on earth stand upright, and all heavy things fall down to the earth by a law of nature, for it is the nature of the earth to attract and to keep things, as it is the nature of water to flow, that of fire to burn, and that of wind to set in motion The earth is the only low thing, and seeds always return to it, in whatever direction you may throw them away, and never rise upwards from the earth."
 
"Bodies fall towards the earth as it is in the nature of the earth to attract bodies, just as it is in the nature of water to flow."
 
It is just amazing that how many ideas usually considered to be purely of European origin had their counterparts in the other cultures like China and subcontinent much before their discovery in the cultures of Europe. 
 
 
 
  
      Well i think that Brahamgupta did state the law of gravitation in its conceptual if not in its numerical form. He feel short of specfyinh the genral form of this law "the law of universal gravitation"  but he did formulate the law of gravitation. He clearly says that "bodies fall towards the earth because earth attracts them towards its center" not just that "bodies fall towards the earth". 
 
"All heavy things are attracted towards the center of the earth"
 
"for it is the nature of the earth to attract and to keep things"
 
"Bodies fall towards the earth as it is in the nature of the earth to attract bodies"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Quote bilal_ali_2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jan-2008 at 14:57
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The problem is that most idiots think thats what he discovered.
 
Well his most important law is the law of interia, a body in motion will stay in motion until an external force acts on it.
 
 That law again was formulated 2000 years before Newton by the Chinese philosopher "Mohzi" who said that
"A body tends to keep its satte motion. If you remove all resistance to the flow of a moving body it will continue moving on forever"
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               Consdering that Brahmagupta lived in around 500 A.D about 700 years ago before Algebra was first fully formualted by "Bhaskara" as Bijaganita in 1200 A.D, i think that you rally cannot hold it against Brahmagupta that he did not formulated the algebraic form of this law.
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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jan-2008 at 02:45
Consdering that Brahmagupta lived in around 500 A.D about 700 years ago before Algebra was first fully formualted by "Bhaskara" as Bijaganita in 1200 A.D, i think that you rally cannot hold it against Brahmagupta that he did not formulated the algebraic form of this law.

You can't take credit away from Newton then. The mathematical form is very important.

Nor should you give credit for algebra to Bhaskara. al-jabr was written in 820, and examples of algebra have been found that are from 1800 BC.
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Ideas like those are present in the Ionian phylosophers of Ancient Greece as well. Nothing extrange at all. Read about them and you will be surprise how much they knew.
 
The difference with Newton are not the "principles" but the mathematical tools he derivated from those.
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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jan-2008 at 13:59
Originally posted by bilal_ali_2000



      Well i think that Brahamgupta did state the law of gravitation in its conceptual if not in its numerical form. He feel short of specfyinh the genral form of this law "the law of universal gravitation"  but he did formulate the law of gravitation. He clearly says that "bodies fall towards the earth because earth attracts them towards its center" not just that "bodies fall towards the earth". 
 
"All heavy things are attracted towards the center of the earth"
 
"for it is the nature of the earth to attract and to keep things"
 
"Bodies fall towards the earth as it is in the nature of the earth to attract bodies" 



That's not the law of gravitation even in conceptual form. Had Brahmagupta added that it is "the nature of bodies to attract the earth as well" he would have gotten close though. As said, even the cavemen probably noticed things fall towards the earth; only Newton was the first to realize the earth "falls" towards the falling things also. So, Newton still gets all the credit, for the principles as well as the mathematical description.





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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

...That's not the law of gravitation even in conceptual form. Had Brahmagupta added that it is "the nature of bodies to attract the earth as well" he would have gotten close though. As said, even the cavemen probably noticed things fall towards the earth; only Newton was the first to realize the earth "falls" towards the falling things also. So, Newton still gets all the credit, for the principles as well as the mathematical description.
 
 
Indeed. Aristhotle noticed the same in his Physics. He declared that the natural law was that bodies falled to the center of earth!
 
Brahmagupta was very likely repeating a concept that was accepted in the classic world.
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-May-2011 at 16:57
If came next civilization cycle,could be reinvented human being.Same is with our knowledge.Newton had patented this law first than.Wink

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Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every point mass in the universe attracts every other point mass with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation
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If it is within the bounds of believing that "all bodies are attracted to the Earth, or the Sun" is correct, then just why is our very Moon, moving away from us?

This is a sincere and very valid scientific truth!

Just think of the tides that used to swiftly move across the planet Earth when it was twice as close, etc.?

While I am not an expert in math, etc., I would suppose that these gravity tides were almost exponential in the degree of movement they would cause upon our planet. Thus at one time, if we considered that most of the Earth was water, then 1,000 foot tides came in and out quite quickly. And even if we were to take water out of the equation, in the earliest times, even the crust of the Earth would be pulled outwards from our planet to a great degree.

There exist sites that really explain all of this, I would recommend that all of you fire up your seach engines for this ride?

Perhaps this is where the song "rolling, rolling" came from? Laugh

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If it is within the bounds of believing that "all bodies are attracted to the Earth, or the Sun" is correct, then just why is our very Moon, moving away from us?

There are larger bodies than the Earth out there, with more pull.
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Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising

Originally posted by opuslola

If it is within the bounds of believing that "all bodies are attracted to the Earth, or the Sun" is correct, then just why is our very Moon, moving away from us?

There are larger bodies than the Earth out there, with more pull.
 
 
 
Actually the Moon has been moving away from us since the beginning.  If it hadn't, things here would be very different.  The moons close proximity to Earth slowed the Earth down.  At one time our days were only 8-10 hours , not 24.
 
It's only been fairly recent that we have an understanding of the expansion of the Universe.  It isn't just the Moon that's moving away, everything is.
They also are just starting to understand the Gravitational/Electro Magnetic web that apparently connects all Galaxies. 
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Dear redclay, you sound almost like Velikovsky?
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