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    Posted: 06-Feb-2008 at 20:16

In your book since I.Q does not appropriately measure intelligence, Rakas, what does it matter if certain individuals have low scores or not?

The standardization process does have elements of cultural affinity. Yet that mostly effects the verbal part of a popular Intelligence test, the WAIS-R, such as comprehension, vocabulary and information subtests for instance. The other subtests of the verbal and performance scales are non-cultural enough to support the whole test's validity. It's a measure of global intelligence, not achievement. Significant correlations exist for academic success as well.
 
I do agree with the second part of your statement in that socialization skills are not fully reflective of an IQ test's scores. It is a start though. Maybe emotional I.Q., and personality tests present a better indication of healthy social skills. Yet any Psychologist worth their meddle would give a client a battery of diverse tests instead of just one IQ test.
 
Though hangs ups from Black-Americans apparently have been born out of injustices directed toward them, reverse bias, at times, also exist no matter if seemingly unwarranted. Instead of diminishing the value of professionally utilized testing apparatus (no matter how faulty to a minor extent), perhaps we could understand what tests are supposed to measure and leave it at that.
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Originally posted by Seko

Though hangs ups from Black-Americans apparently have been born out of injustices directed toward them, reverse bias, at times, also exist no matter if seemingly unwarranted. Instead of diminishing the value of professionally utilized testing apparatus (no matter how faulty to a minor extent), perhaps we could understand what tests are supposed to measure and leave it at that.
 
 

Correct!

A Standard I.Q.  test  measures what a person has learned based  on  their  age  compared  to a  sample  population  of  the same age group.  The  markers of these test generally attempt  to get  a broad range of people to sample from prior to creating the test.

 

I agree the are helpful in testing a persons education level and a persons ability to resolve some problems, but not necessarily their intelligence.  The problem is that under privileged groups generally score 10 to 15 percent lower than more privileged groups of the same age.

 

There are even studies that show the average I.Q. of person in Ethiopia is 63

reference; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

 

This makes the average person in Ethiopia to be mentally retarded, according to the WIAS. (Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale). This is impossible!!! They could not survive as a civilization for thousands of years if they are really retarded.

 

So clearly, there are more than minor problems with using a standardized test across the board as a measurement of "intelligence quotient." it should be called an "E.Q.O.S.S', Education Quotient On Specific Subjects

 

From Wikipedia: Intelligence is an  umbrella term used to describe a property of the  mind that encompasses many related abilities, such as the capacities to reason to plan, to  solve  problems, to think abstractly, to comprehend ideas, to use language, and to learn.

 
 
 
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I as an american spend most time learning about religion, not from a black African view point but from a white american stand point. I don't blame whites I blame blacks for not treating our history to our kids. We has black americans and Africans need to take control of our life our country and stand together or die apart

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Joeamonroe the success of ethnicities is bound to their efforts. Whether in social skills, religious perspectives or most anything else, understanding and shaping the world we live in is a personal and group effort. Blacks in the US have a unique history. Blacks in other parts of the world do as well. In fact if we stop looking at peoples' most obivous yet basic characteristics, color,  then we could get over our judgemental attitudes easier and appreciate what lies underneath the skin.

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vibo, that study of Richard Lynn is methodologically flawed. Many countries worldwide did not have any massive IQ testing, the results are "adjusted" so to fit the conclusion.
 
 
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My experience with I.Q. tests is that they measure the knowledge of a person in certain areas; I had to answer some questions like who wrote Faust, a lot of math, specifically calculus, as well as english comprehension/grammar.  Obviously that part of the test does not measure intelligence, simply how much one has learned and whether one has retained that knowledge.  (of course one could say it measures intelligence based on whether the person was smart enough to not slack off in school and learn this stuff to get into a good college, a person I was notWink)  The part where it actually measures ones "intelligence" is when it tests how quickly a persons mind can process information, and then how much a person can comprehend.  Though what I've noticed is the test results can be quite contradictory:   I learned I have a gift for hearing numbers and then reciting them backwards, which is a sign of strong memory, yet on another section of the test I learned I had trouble remembering phrases/word association; or something like that, I can't remember.Wink  Then there are the numerous differences in scores among different tests.  The one I took had a max score of 155.99 or thereabouts.  The ones used to remark on what Einstein's was usually are considerably above this. 

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vibo, that study of Richard Lynn is methodologically flawed. Many countries worldwide did not have any massive IQ testing, the results are "adjusted" so to fit the conclusion.
 
Yes, just to correct you slightly, it is Dr. Richard Lynn.
 
That is the problem, he adjusted results to make a conclusion fit a predetermined belief. This is by a Proffesor of Psychology. A man who teaches young minds at a University.
How is the common man to believe anything less, if an educated, doctor of psychology tells us this as if where fact. 
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Black Intelligence December

10, 2007 WPFW 89.3 Washington 1

Black Intelligence

Transcript of a Commentary by Ambrose I. Lane, Sr.

December 10, 2007 We Ourselves WPFW 89.3 Washington

Ambrose: Top of the morning, top of the week this is We Ourselves

and Im Ambrose I. Lane, Sr.

You know over several decades Ive watched the major press in this

country. And uh they

do things in such a way often that you dont

pick up on whats actually being done. Yesterdays New York Times

and Washington Post carried articles in the oped

section that raised

questions about black intelligence. Now you know Ive learned over the

years that even though the article cant be positive it raises an issue

that never should be raised because its a false issue and it keeps the

division going in this country, keeps racism going.

The one in the Washington Post Im going to read it for you, titled

White May Be Might, But Not Always Right. And then I go to the New

York Times and we have an article in the New York Times titled All

Brains Are The Same Color and then it has a little thing called Putting

the rest the Myth of Racial Difference in IQ.

This is 2007, why are we still doing this? And its very clear. This

leadership of this country always wants to stimulate racial antagonism.

Always wants to make the whites feel superior and blacks fill that they

are inferior. And even though an article might be positive by knocking

down that theory, it has raised it. And by raising it, its in the minds of

those who read it and talk about it.

Im going to read this one to you so youll understand what Im talking

about. This is by Khalil G. Muhammad, White May Be Might, But Not

Always Right. Listen to what he says.

Recently I showed my college students a YouTube clip of

Bill Cosby's and Alvin Poussaint's appearance on "The

Oprah Winfrey Show." After hearing Cosby plead for poor

blacks to embrace their parenting responsibilities, many of

the students said they wished their parents had followed

his advice. They regretted that some of their peers had

done poorly in school, abused drugs and alcohol, and run

afoul of the law. These problems, they agreed, might have

been avoided with more supervision at home.

Black Intelligence December

10, 2007 WPFW 89.3 Washington 2

They might have been the perfect audience for a Cosby

townhall

lecture on the dangers of selfdestructive

values

in black America. They might also have been perfect

illustrations of the growing "values gap" between poor and

middleclass

blacks described in a widely cited recent Pew

Research Center poll.

Except almost all my students are white.

Cosby and the recent Pew study are the latest in a long

fingerwagging

tradition of instructing poor blacks to lift

themselves up by their bootstraps and reject pathologically

"black" values. Today, rap culture is usually presented as

Exhibit A, but strains of the same argument have cropped

up for more than a century. If blacks would just get their

act together, this old story goes, all the social inequalities

between them and the rest of society would disappear.

In its coverage of the Pew report findings, National Public

Radio asked whether some blacks were lagging behind

because they were choosing not to become "closer to

whites in their values." Unfortunately, this line of

questioning reinforces one of the most persistent myths in

America, that white is always right. The myth reflects an

enduring double standard based on "white" and "black"

explanations for social problems. And it assumes that

"white" culture is the gold standard for judging everyone,

despite its competing ideologies, its contradictions and its

flaws, including racism.

The masquerade began over a hundred years ago. Shortly

after the end of slavery, sociologists and demographers

began presenting research on black failure and struggle as

"indisputable" proof of black inferiority. One of the first

studies was released in 1896, when the leading racerelations

demographer of the period, Frederick L. Hoffman,

analyzed census data showing that blacks were doing

worse than whites in mortality, health, employment,

education and crime. The problem was not racism, he

argued, but "race traits and tendencies."

To him, the civil rights acts of the 1860s and 1870s had

leveled the playing field. Blacks should be left to compete

against whites on their own and face the inevitable. The

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10, 2007 WPFW 89.3 Washington 3

black man, he wrote, "has usually but one avenue out of

his dilemma the

road to prison or to an early grave."

At the same time, when explaining rising rates of crime,

suicide and mentalhealth

problems among whites,

Hoffman blamed industrialization and the strains of

"modern life." He called for a reordering of the nation's

economic priorities. Hoffman's study coincided with and

provided justification for the

Supreme Court's notorious

Plessy v. Ferguson decision, which legalized segregation.

As segregation took hold, there was a powerful need to

minimize the role of racism as a factor in explaining racial

disparities. The "Cosby" role at the start of Jim Crow was

first played by Booker T. Washington. Counseling blacks to

conquer their inferiority, he repudiated civil rights activism

in favor of selfhelp

and moral regeneration.

Many whites loved Washington, and his ideas were echoed

by liberal social scientists such as the psychologist G.

Stanley Hall, who instructed black people to stop

sympathizing "with their own criminals" and "accept

without whining patheticism and corroding selfpity

[their]

present situation, prejudice and all."

But when Hall turned his focus on whites, his research on

adolescent psychology directly influenced national efforts

to protect them from the ravages of industrial capitalism.

Drawing on his work, the childwelfare

activist Jane

Addams established Hull House in Chicago at first to help

immigrant families adjust to American life, and later to

save thousands of Chicago's white youth from lives of

crime, violence and drug abuse attributed to "modern city

conditions." But black children were not generally welcome

at Hull House. Addams claimed that similar problems

among black youth were due to the race's "belated" moral

development, manifested in poor parenting and a lack of

"social restraint."

The pioneering black social scientist W.E.B. Du Bois

challenged this first generation of white liberals and social

scientists, including Hoffman, on the flawed assumptions

and racial double standards in their studies and in their

practices. But when Du Bois tried to argue that pathology

Black Intelligence December

10, 2007 WPFW 89.3 Washington 4

knows no color, he was ignored, criticized and dismissed

by his white peers as an angry black man with, as one

sociologist put it, a "chip on his shoulder."

Du Bois's frustrations led him to leave academia for a life

of antiracist

activism. In 1910, the year he became

director of research and publicity for the NAACP, he

warned that "whiteness" was becoming the new basis of

the nation's consciousness. "Are we not coming more and

more day by day to making the statement, 'I am white,'

the one fundamental tenet of our practical morality?" he

asked.

In today's era of hiphop,

Du Bois's warning still goes

unheeded. If rap music is so bad, why are white kids its

major consumers? And by what value system should we

judge the large media companies that publish and

distribute hiphop

or,

really, gangsta rap, its most

popular and sinister cousin?

Were "white values" on display two years ago when the

federal government failed to adequately respond to one of

the greatest natural disasters in American history?

If lowerclass

"black" values are so distinct from those of

the rest of America, particularly the "white values"

supposedly now embraced by middleand

upperclass

blacks, why, according to the Pew report, do less than a

third of white Americans graduate from college? Are

legions of whites similarly devaluing higher education? Are

they "acting black"?

If lowerclass

black values are so peculiar, why do whites

report the same or higher levels of illegal drug use as

blacks, as numerous studies show?

What of underperforming white schoolchildren in rural

America, the Great Plains, Appalachia or the Deep South?

Are they "acting black" because they can't compete with

their upwardly mobile suburban counterparts?

Today's liberals still empathize with America's invisible

white working poor, who they warn are being "nickel and

dimed" to the point of near homelessness. But why the

Black Intelligence December

10, 2007 WPFW 89.3 Washington 5

empathy? Isn't their poverty really a function of their

choosing to embrace their hidden blackness?

Du Bois's scholarship and activism helped pave the way for

the modern civil rights movement, which helped exorcize

the ghost of America's Jim Crow past. That he was right

about racism but that we still continue to accept the same

flawed thinking about race and social problems suggests a

powerful and enduring paradox.

If we insist on explaining racial disparities in terms of black

vs. white values, then we need to explain what exactly

white values are. When we do, we'll find that whiteness is

an inadequate standard by which to judge good black

people vs. bad ones.

As my students would tell you, the real white world is as

pathological, as respectable and as diverse as the black

one. 1

Now this is a Post Oped

and its written by Khalil Muhammad who is

an assistant professor of history at Indiana University.

Now Im not going to read all of the, all of the New York Times article,

just a few sentences. That is entitled All Brains Are The Same Color by

Richard E. Nisbett. Now he is a professor of psychology at the

University of Michigan, and is the author of The Geography of

Thought: How Asians and Westerners Think Differently and Why. He

begins his article;

JAMES WATSON, the 1962 Nobel laureate, recently

asserted that he was inherently gloomy about the

prospect of Africa and its citizens because all our social

policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the

same as ours whereas all the testing says not really.

Dr. Watsons remarks created a huge stir because they

implied that blacks were genetically inferior to whites, and

the controversy resulted in his resignation as chancellor of

Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. But was he right? Is there

a genetic difference between blacks and whites that

condemns blacks in perpetuity to be less intelligent? 2

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10, 2007 WPFW 89.3 Washington 6

And then he goes on to, to debunk this whole theory thats been

around for well over a hundred years. Now, Ive seen this over and

over again by the press, the establishment corporate press. They get it

going because the want, they want to make certain that the general

public, at least the reading general public will discuss it among

themselves so that the people will spread the same stuff that theyve

been spreading for well over a hundred years. You know most people

dont realize it but they apply the same kind of reasoning to everyone

that they defeat.

For example, right now in Iraq what are we saying about the people of

Iraq? Now heres a country that weve destroyed. Weve killed maybe

close to a million of their people, close to a million. Weve driven out,

because the conditions we have created, weve driven out several

millions more. They are now in other countries bordering Iraq. And

were insisting that the Iraqi parliament produce for us a law that turns

over most of the wealth in their oil industry to our corporations. But

what is our press saying? What in the world is wrong with these

people in Iraq? Why dont they get their act together?

Weve done it everywhere weve been. We did the same thing in

Vietnam the

same thing in Korea. And weve always done that to

African Americans in this country. After the Civil War we insisted that

the newly freed slaves, whod been slaves in this country for so many

centuries, pick ourselves up by our own boot straps. And weve always

had fools among us who would say the same thing because they have

been able to for example Bill

Cosby whos an excellent comedian.

Bill has made a huge amount of money but they let him know his

money didnt mean anything when he tried to buy a television

network. They let him know that all his money didnt mean a thing.

But here he is spouting the same nonsense and in all of his stuff Id

like, I would love for him to have said something about 40 years of

planned unemployment in black neighborhoods in this country. Thats

what weve had for the last 40 years; double digit unemployment. Id

like for him to say something about that. And for Puissant to join him

in this without talking about the truth is awful.

But here they start again. They started first with Bill Cosby, then Juan

Williams, and then our Supreme Court Justice, and now these oped

pages of two of the most powerful newspapers in this country. I just

want you to understand what theyre doing. Ive seen it so many times

over several decades. Just be aware. Theyre playing the same old

game again to stir up racism in this country. Just be aware of it. Now

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10, 2007 WPFW 89.3 Washington 7

well take your calls at 5880893

or 2025880893

and you disagree or

agree.

Wed just like to hear your thoughts on these matters. Ive seen it so

much, over and over again, decade after decade. And uhin

fact the

New York Times article does a little tracing of that history, of how

weve done it. One after another from Dr. Jensen, Arthur Jensen in the

1969 article in the Harvard Educational Review and after him the Bell

Curve Charles

Murray and Richard Herrnstein. Over and over again

the establishment has done this to keep racism going.

Closing Show Remarks

Well I want to thank all of you for calling in and for those who we were

unable to get to, thank you so much. Be on the be aware that they

are starting it again. When the Times, the New York Times and the

Washington Post carry oped

pieces about racism you know theyre

starting the same BS again. So be aware and spread the word. Take

care and Ill see you again on Friday.

Commentary Notes:

1. Muhammad, Khalil G. "White May Be Might, But Not Always

Right" Washington Post, 9 December 2007, sec. B, p.03.

2. Nisbett, Richard E. "All Brains Are The Same Color" New York

Times, 9 December 2007, sec. Opinion.

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Ignorance is based on lack of information,and Africa has a higher degree of ignorance among it population then Europe,not because African are black but because Europians have very easy acsess to information.




Ignorance? Ignorant in what way? They are not ignorant they are impoverished due to the effects of colonial exploitation of their resourses, the destruction of their social structures and the agitation of rivalries between groups. Not to mention the expliotation of the world bank and multi-national corporations and the undermining of their own elected governments by the USA and other so called first world nations.
 
I personally make a distinction between ignorance and capabily to learn.If you were never given the chance to learn you will be an ignorant.That does in no way say that your brain is less capable then somebody's who have been fed books and education from an early age lets say.
Poverty breeds ignorance.
A poor country run by dictators is not gona be helped by W.B,M-N.Corp, or USA.It is goin to be exploited.Thats a fact  and the world over better get used to it.Even if is not gona be U.S.A one day is gona be U.S.O or U.S.E.Governments must first and formost have the respect of the majority of their populations,then of other countries and INTER-ORG.
 
 

In the rural villages these people speak at least 2 to 3 other languages other than their own and in urban areas, just as many in addition to at least one or two European languages. In the end it is the perception of an ignorant Africa that still needs to be fought because we are never shown evidence of African intelligence in the media. We know more about the elephants and lions than we do about any country in Africa. Why is that? The very internet we use to communicate owes its existance to an African, yet most of the world knows nothing about his contribution to its developement, why is that?
 
Because the (negative) perception (regarding Africans) on the Europian media comes when inteligence applies to the standarts of Europian life,or that of an industrialy developed society.And sometimes they deliberately dont make the distinction which i made above,and they are wrong.The dinstiction that being ignorant on one aspect of life when the posibility of learning was not presented to you in the same oportunities does not make you or any human being ,less naturaly  capable,therefore such an issue as inferior,superior is pure stupidity in that case,there are just lucky born and unlucky born in this world.

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My opinion is that African-American is not the Ideal name for this community,but their history in America is not like the history of the other communities,therefore we can not say why are black people called like that but white europian people not.Because there is a difference as to the origines of this communities and their history in America.






The thing is that white people who are not of English origin ARE singled out. Last time I looked Italian Americans, Irish Americans, Polish Americans, German Americans, Greek Americans, Russian Americans are all white. The real question is why should any American be required to identify themselves as anything other than an American? So as long as all other Americans are identified by the government based on a name that identifies their geographic and cultural location, why should these people be identified by their skin color rather than their geographic location?
 
Thats because the English (the British) were the first ones to go there,and the new comers were given names acording to their country of origine,and with the English not being friendly to new comers,a phenomenia happened in the U.S.A which continues to this day,Diaspora comunities.And when the country is devided by communities which did not find shelter in their government but held close ties with their land of origine,you will end up , with Irish-Americans, Italian -Americans ,Polish-Americans etc.
As for the Blacks they are singled because of their colour ,because their identity in America has never been national,but racial.
The origines of the problem are with the Slavery,which fought national or tribal identity of Africans to make them simply workers.
Above all,in my opinion,the African-Americans are Americans more then any other community,only if they were a litle bit more politicaly counssious.Their biggest enemy has been Hollywood.( Guys,thats just my opinion)

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I think as long as there is a complete reconsiliation between the communities the term African-American is well fited.
It even helps Africans realise that their fate has been shared during the course of history for being black Africans,not for being from one nationality or the other.

 


Sad but true. Which is why I find the term caucasian in reference to African peoples insulting and rediculous. Any African, regardless of how narrow their features are, how straight the hair or light the skin is considered a nigger when they get to America and Europe. They are not recognized as a branch of the same human family by white people there. It was only a few years ago that an Ethiopian, so called CAUCASIAN was killed in a race crime by a group of white supremacist skin heads. Caucasian in theory, nigger in practice. That's the way it is, all else is just stupidity and mind games.
 
And countries and tribes that fight each other in Africa because of national or tribal loyalties better keep this in mind and wake up,gather forces and look ahead to a new millenium,because the world is about to get a harder place soon.
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I don't like to talk about race, but this is my standpoint.
 
When I describe people the last thing I grab for is race. If I have a friend who is smart regardless if he's African, Asian, or European I describe them based on their personality and who they are not what they are. African American is the proper term, calling someone 'Black' is in my opion unproper and unbecoming.
 
People use it as a crude term to describe people with black skin, to bad that inaccurately describes the physical make up of a person.
 
I really don't care who I hang out with as long as their positive regardless of their color, I've had to deal with this stuff before and have realized it's just not worth it.
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Ignorance is based on lack of information,and Africa has a higher degree of ignorance among it population then Europe,not because African are black but because Europians have very easy acsess to information.


Ignorance? Ignorant in what way? They are not ignorant they are impoverished due to the effects of colonial exploitation of their resourses, the destruction of their social structures and the agitation of rivalries between groups. Not to mention the expliotation of the world bank and multi-national corporations and the undermining of their own elected governments by the USA and other so called first world nations.

I personally make a distinction between ignorance and capabily to learn.If you were never given the chance to learn you will be an ignorant.That does in no way say that your brain is less capable then somebody's who have been fed books and education from an early age lets say.

Poverty breeds ignorance.

A poor country run by dictators is not gona be helped by W.B,M-N.Corp, or USA.It is goin to be exploited.Thats a fact and the world over better get used to it.Even if is not gona be U.S.A one day is gona be U.S.O or U.S.E.Governments must first and formost have the respect of the majority of their populations,then of other countries and INTER-ORG.



In the rural villages these people speak at least 2 to 3 other languages other than their own and in urban areas, just as many in addition to at least one or two European languages. In the end it is the perception of an ignorant Africa that still needs to be fought because we are never shown evidence of African intelligence in the media. We know more about the elephants and lions than we do about any country in Africa. Why is that? The very internet we use to communicate owes its existance to an African, yet most of the world knows nothing about his contribution to its developement, why is that?


Because the (negative)perception(regarding Africans)on the Europian media comes when inteligence applies to the standarts of Europian life,or that of an industrialy developed society.And sometimes they deliberately dont make the distinction which i made above,and they are wrong.The dinstiction that being ignorant on one aspect of life when the posibility of learning was not presented to you in the same oportunities does not make you or any human being ,less naturaly capable,therefore such an issue as inferior,superior is pure stupidity in that case,there are just lucky born and unlucky born in this world.[QUOTE=HEROI] My opinion is that African-American is not the Ideal name for this community,but their history in America is not like the history of the other communities,therefore we can not say why are black people called like that but white europian people not.Because there is a difference as to the origines of this communities and their history in America.






The thing is that white people who are not of English origin ARE singled out. Last time I looked Italian Americans, Irish Americans, Polish Americans, German Americans, Greek Americans, Russian Americans are all white. The real question is why should any American be required to identify themselves as anything other than an American? So as long as all other Americans are identified by the government based on a name that identifies their geographic and cultural location, why should these people be identified by their skin color rather than their geographic location?

Thats because the English (the British) were the first ones to go there,and the new comers were given names acording to their country of origine,and with the English not being friendly to new comers,a phenomenia happened in the U.S.A which continues to this day,Diaspora comunities.And when the country is devided by communities which did not find shelter in their government but held close ties with their land of origine,you will end up , with Irish-Americans, Italian -Americans ,Polish-Americans etc.

As for the Blacks they are singled because of their colour ,because their identity in America has never been national,but racial.

The origines of the problem are with the Slavery,which fought national or tribal identity of Africans to make them simply workers.

Above all,in my opinion,the African-Americans are Americans more then any other community,only if they were a litle bit more politicaly counssious.Their biggest enemy has been Hollywood.( Guys,thats just my opinion)[QUOTE=HEROI] I think as long as there is a complete reconsiliation between the communities the term African-American is well fited.

It even helps Africans realise that their fate has been shared during the course of history for being black Africans,not for being from one nationality or the other.

Sad but true. Which is why I find the term caucasian in reference to African peoples insulting and rediculous. Any African, regardless of how narrow their features are, how straight the hair or light the skin is considered a nigger when they get to America and Europe. They are not recognized as a branch of the same human family by white people there. It was only a few years ago that an Ethiopian, so called CAUCASIAN was killed in a race crime by a group of white supremacist skin heads. Caucasian in theory, nigger in practice. That's the way it is, all else is just stupidity and mind games.


And countries and tribes that fight each other in Africa because of national or tribal loyaltiesbetter keep this in mind and wake up,gather forces and look ahead to a new millenium,because the world is about to get a harder place soon.


No my friend, THE ENTIRE WORLD had better keep this in mind and wake up. All our lives and destinies are intertwined any notion to the contrary is an illusion. I can't live without you, nor you I. We are all connected to each other, WE ARE EACH OTHER. This is why the mentality of categorizing people into different groups is such an abomination. The second you categorize this person as a negro, that person as a caucasian, you dive a wedge between them and reenfirce the illusion they are unrelated. The problem is much deeper than blacks and Africans, its muslim and jew, indian and pakistani, greek and turk. This is what we refuse to see. Even on this forum there are far too many who defend the mentality of segragation because it implicitly supports their ego driven illusions of supremacy. They will always deny it, but their words, actions, their refusal to learn, understand, or allow for other possibilities show them for what they really are. It's when confronted by these mentalities that I tend to loose my cool because I can't stay quiet in the face of lies, nor smile in the face of liars and hypocrites.
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