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Maju, I think you forgot that you are the owner of the generalizing theory and not me. Your suggestion was:

- Brining Communism and Pot Pol-type government, will make strict Muslim countries open minded.

All what I did is I discredit your suggestion using your own word. The process goes like this:

a- If bringing communism and Pot Pol-type government will make some strict Muslim countries more open minded, then it should worked for the countries that were truely subjected to communism and Pot Pol-type government.

b-In reality it didn't work. In fact, most countries that were under the communism rule and Pot Pol-type government are corrupt and closed minded. Only exceptions of improvement is countries that moved toward the west.

Therefore, B discredit A. On other words, bringing communism or Pot Pol-type government will not result in the development toward open minded environment, if it wasn't the opposite actually.

I don't recall I said that Islam will bring modernization and improvement to any country. Only justice can do that. Something that is known since hundreds of years to the Muslim word when Ibn Taimiyah, a scholar, said: "God will bring victory to just nations, even if they were non-Muslim. And God will bring defeat to injust nations, even if they were Muslims" Just in case you are interested, this was said by the 1200's AD.

By the way, you forgot Malaysia. In fact, I consider Malaysia on the top of the most developed Muslim nations. Interesting enough, combining tradition, religion, and modernization.

Well, I recall that you used Pol Pot too in your new theory of closed minded therapy. I will call it shorcutting, Maju's theory.

Originally posted by Maju I truly think that fundamentalist countries deserve to be ruled by Stalin or Pol Pot. That would be good therapy.

but anyhow, let us drop Pol Pot as you like. I still think you are pushing hard to defend what I like to call a "general comment". I don't think you are serious saying Stalin is a therapy to any country as much as you are not serious now that Pol Pot is a therapy to any nation.

Wait, you even said "Obviously USSR transition wasn't any success - part is to blame to Stalinism and part to Yeltsinism/Putinism", So are you still advising Stalin as a therapy?

Actually ex-soviet countries were already backward even before trying to be capitalist in a messy way. Do you realize that no single communist country has survived passing 1990 as a country of liberalism, freedom, and wealth? The only exception is China, which is ironically just doing fine trying to be capitalist. In fact, slowly and slowly China is becoming more of a socialist rather than a communist nation.

I agree that we should not ideolize the Westerm countries, but you will have a hard time convincing me that Communist countries are better.

Adultry and accusations of sexual misconduct has been around from the beginning. In many societies the word of the accuser carries greater weight then the word of the accused. Innocent till proven guilty turns into defamation till your money runs out trying to clear your name. The message that comes out of the Quran is that accusation of someone with sexual misconduct or spreading rumors with such accusations is a very serious matter and is not looked upon lightly by God.

God used the strongest language possible to admonish those who commit such an offense by spreading rumors and repeating accusations of sexual misconduct for which they did not have a proof. The proof here, is the personal knowledge of a proof and not just hearing about a proof.

Liars often escape punishment in modern courts of law. An affadavit is all one needs to create havoc on another person. Often times the accuser (baseless or not) has the protection of the prosecution and is treated with special loving care.

The key is not to commit adultry or commit slander again. Social pressure, 4 witnesses and lashing (symbolic or real) is a deterrant. If this method of proof is not available then one's swearing to God that he/she is truthfull or not is then judged by God. Respective ramifications will follow. No party solely benefits by wealth alone or powerful representation.