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    Posted: 27-Jul-2007 at 14:41
What do I think of the revolution? I think it was probably required at the time, I think, like all revolutions, it was betrayed and I think I'd rather not live under its current incarnation.

Surely the arguement against Ummah should be not how good it is but whether people want to live under it? (Sharrukin, does this count as continuing that line of conversation? If so please delete or edit this post- I don't wish to shut down this topic.) I personally have no wish to live under Islamic law, I don't doubt you can guess why, and therefore consider Ummah a bad thing.
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  Quote Sharrukin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jul-2007 at 22:10
I have no problems with your post.  Just keep it within the parameters that Seko had described, and everything will be okay.  Hint:  no religion bashing.  All that will do is provoke an argument outside of the intention of this thread.
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  Quote konstantinius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Aug-2007 at 17:09
Personally, i'm looking down on monotheistic religions. I was baptized and raised Greek Orthodox and carry part of that culture in me (i.e. I make the orthodox sign of the Cross every time I walk outside an orthodox church, though I don't go to Church and don't practice). But, as an anthropologist in training, I see monotheism as the belief system that replaced the Goddess religions right around the time  agriculture was invented. Judeo-Christian traditions came as the need arose for a new moral code in order to justify man's domination of nature, signified by agriculture. One thing is clear: that wherever we see organized religion (usually agricultural societies with a State system of social organization), it is used to justify and propagate the existing socio-economic order of things. In other words Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all in place just so the corresponding elites that control said societies will retain their positions of power. This is mainly achieved by promising an eternal reward that pertains to the afterlife in exchange for the miseries and pains of this earthy life. In Christianity kings, bishops, emperors etc ruled by "divine right" while in Islam it's all "God's will" whether for better or worse.

Religion, spirituality, and afterlife are as part of the human fabric as the need to put food on the table. They are all detectable very early in our  human past  and they have always played an important role  in all cultures that we have come to know, past and present.  Monotheism is just another attempt to address those issues and in my opinion not necessarily the best. Therefore I tend to cringe at the sound of a revolution with any religious undertones to it, whether christian or muslim. 
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  Quote persian19 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 09:09
Originally posted by Zagros

The Revolution was not an Islamic revolution to start.  There was all soprts of entities involved; nationalists; socialists; marxists; islamists; democrats.

Khomeini promised to return to the mosque after the revolution but he lied and deceived the people.

Then Saddam attacked Iran - this made the Islamic government much stronger - it gave them more mandate to crush any opposition, they have executed and imprisoned about 200,000 dissidents since 1980 - including many Ayatollahs and religious figures who disagree with the IRI and religion in government (good people who recognised that religion is a private matter not to be imposed).

The revolution and subsequent war with Iraq (who was supported by every major government in the world against Iran) sent Iran back in time socially. Before the rvolution people partied outside and prayed inside, today people pray outside and party inside.

you took the words rigth out of my mouth. that is exactly what has happened and is happening in iran.
 
Iran i think needs a nationalistic,democracy kind of government.
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And whose nationalism would that be.
 
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  Quote Bulldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 17:00
Zagros
The Revolution was not an Islamic revolution to start.  There was all soprts of entities involved; nationalists; socialists; marxists; islamists; democrats.

Khomeini promised to return to the mosque after the revolution but he lied and deceived the people.

Also Ayatollah Shariatmadari who had a role in the revolution was campaigning for rights, equality, freedoms and that there would be a spiritual council which would remain seperate from pollitics and governance.
 
The revolution has not been a total disaster like some have made out, its been relatively successfull on the whole.


Edited by Bulldog - 06-Aug-2007 at 17:04
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