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    Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 10:20
Why do you think the bitter rivalry started?

1) Is it religion based? If this were true, then the Muslims of India should oppose India as much as Pakistan. But clearly, this is not the case.

2) Is it ethnicity based? If this were true, then the gujaratis and punjabis and etc found common in both countries should be on one side or the other. But clearly, this is not the case.

3) Is it because of the partition? Prior to independence, the land did not belong to anybody. I doubt the cause of conflict is based on independent peoples claiming ownership to the land they live on.

4) Is it because of Kashmir? This seems like such a superficial cause of the deeply rooted conflict between the two countries. To think that Pakistan and India emerged as bitter enemies due to a land grab of a tiny section in the subcontinent when really the land there does not affect the live of %90 percent of the population of either country seems a little far fetched.

So, what do you think is the cause of this conflict?

Now, i know that this is a highly controversial subject. Please keep it civil cause i don't want the moderators to lock it. Try not to finger point or add unneeded adjectives (ie, "but Pakistan did this" or "those damn Indians did this").

I ask cause i honestly don't know for sure.
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  Quote mughal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 11:21
actually i think it is both religion and ethinicity base. The harsh reality of india has always been that fairer and well built people of North have always looked down upon the darker and thinner people of the south and east of india. Religion has a played a role too, but that is recent.
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  Quote AlokaParyetra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 12:40
This i find hard to believe. Do you have any evidence to support that?

Because, as far as i know, there has never been a war fought in India on the basis of skin color. If there really was this dichotomy of white vs. dark, there would have to be something, at least some type of literature, that supports this claim. If you can find such a thing, please enlighten us all, because i know that such a thing does not exist.

And as for "well built" vs. "thinner", i hope you are joking? Approve
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 14:22
Hes right about the ethnicity though, Pakistanis have more in common with the neighbours from the west and north.
 
ANd Pakistani Punjab is very different from Indian Punjab, which is one Sikh and secondly our Punjab province has a lot of affinity with the Frontier.
 
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  Quote AlokaParyetra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 14:30
But why is that a basis for conflict? Several different ethnicities exist in the two countries. Yet, there is no infighting on the same level as the conflict between India and Pakistan. Tamils aren't arming themselves to fight the Malyalies. And yes, there were several ethnically motivated riots and such. But these were directed against the government, not against another ethnic group.

So, why is this diversity a reason for conflict?
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  Quote mughal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 14:58
The best example i can give u is Rajputs, they have always subdued others around them and ruled over them, Rajputs are known to be fair and well built. The reason there has never been a war based on skin colour is because mentality that fair skin and being wellbuilt and always superior, so the darkskinned people never choose to fight. Even Today you see that fair people are always looking down on dark skin people almost in every way every where. Thus the reason most of elites and wealthy people you see around are usaually fair skinned and labours and people living in the slums are usaually darkskinned.

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  Quote northpakistani Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Apr-2007 at 02:09
 I think the conflicts between Indians and Pakistanis  is due to  social prejudice..Pakistanis might have perspectives about Indians and Indians perceive some things about Pakistani's that are learned indirectly through their up-bringing,media, culture, history, and social interactions.

For example..the media can have a large influence on people's minds, if you look at Bollywood, the movies which show India in war, they show patriotism and heroism for India while Pakistanis (esp. Muslims) are their opponents.

This perspective can largely mold the mentality of youth who have the most vulnerable and flexible minds.
A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.

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  Quote AlokaParyetra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Apr-2007 at 12:35
That i agree as a reason for continued conflict. But to me, it seems like now the two countries are fighting without knowing why they started in the first place. It's like they've always fought, and they have never known it any other way, so they continue to fight.

EDIT: Now that i think about it more and more, i think it was Kashmir that caused the initial conflict. A good parallel would be between India and China, again for a small bit of land that really does not change much. After several thousands of years of peaceful co-existence, china and india are now enemies (though not at the same level as india and pakistan) due to a small conflict over land.

If the Kashmir issue were resolved, do you think India and Pakistan will coexist peacefully?


Edited by AlokaParyetra - 22-Apr-2007 at 12:36
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