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 Topic: Bashkirs, whats their ethnic composition n historyPosted: 12-Apr-2007 at 14:58 |
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These are some pics of modern Bashkirs.. there's lots of different theories about their roots. Some say they are descendants of Khazars, others say they are part Kipchak of the Golden Horde, and part Finno Uralic, while others say they are simply just Kipchak. what do you guys think?   |
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DayI
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Posted: 12-Apr-2007 at 17:22 |
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I'd say kipchak.
the last picture, that table has a carpet motive :) I think i have a carpet at home with similar motives. |
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erkut
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Posted: 12-Apr-2007 at 17:58 |
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I have some friends from Bashkortistan Tuymazi city. Bashkirs are same with their neighbours(Tatarstan). I mean they are kipchak. |
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Posted: 12-Apr-2007 at 18:39 |
Yes they are Kipchak like Tatars, but when I look at Tatars, they look alot like Russians.. plus their history, depending on who you talk to, seem different. But of course, many may say it is distorted because of Soviet politics, and that they are no different frome ach other. |
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Karakhan
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Posted: 12-Apr-2007 at 20:40 |
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Bashkorts are basically in between Tatars and Kazakhs. a little more European looking than Kazakhs, but more Mongoloid than Tatars.
The reason why they look more Mongoloid is because they held on to steppe culture longer than the Tatars, and because of that, did not settle down and assimilate earlier like the Tatars of Kazan. Before the Soviets created the "Bashkort" Language, Bashkorts actually spoke the Kazan Tatar dialect. The Soviets wanted to split them apart, so they separated the Idel-Ural Republic and split the Tatars and Bashkorts into two groups, then they tried to use "unique" words in some Bashkort dialects to make it different from Kazan Tatar. Even after being split, Bashkort and Kazan Tatar is very easy to understand each other. But More Bashkorts claim Kazan Tatar as their mother tongue than Bashkort language. |
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Sarmat
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Posted: 31-May-2007 at 23:13 |
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Well, as I know Bashkirs were originally Finno-Uralic nomads a kin to Hungarians, however while Hungarians had moved to the West, Bashkirs stayed at their original land which is located to the South of Ural mountains.
Bashkirs were powerful warriors and they were able to hold the horde of Mongolian Batu-khan for a number of years in the 13th century A.D. before he finally made it to Russia and Eastern Europe.
After the Mongol conquest, Bashkirs became a part of the Golden Horde and were culturally assimilated by Turkic culture which was dominant in this state. Thus, they gradually adopted Turkic language and customs as well.
I think Hungarians remembered for several centuries about some of their people left in the East. Even several Catholic envoys were sent to the land of Bashkirs with in order to bring them to Hungary, however these missions were not succesful, most likely due to the opposition from the rulers of the Golden Horde.
Although, linguistically and culturally Bashkirs are Turkic now, there are, as I know some tensions with the neighboring Kazan Tatars, which can be attributed to the historical past.In other words, Bashkirs and Tatars do not like each other very much. In 18 and 19 centuries there were also constant military conflicts between Kazakhs Turks and Bashkirs.
Since, Kypchak was the dominant language of the Golden Horde it is natural that modern Bashkir originates from Kypchak. In fact, until the beginning of the 20th century the high society of Bashkirs used the language of Kazan Tatars and only during the Soviet time Bashkir was recognized as a separate language.
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BAWIR$AQ
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 00:31 |
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Poll is wrong.
Caucasian & Mongoloid are racial terms, while Finno-Uralic is a linguistic term. |
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"Malım janımnı sadağası, Janım arımnı sadağası" "Sacrifice your riches for your life, Sacrifice your life for your honor" |
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Tar Szernd
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Posted: 17-Jun-2007 at 10:42 |
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They are very good looking people, certenly are they mixed. Compare them with pictures about 19. Cent. british people:-)))
Abu Hamid Al-Garnati called the hungarians in the Carp. basin baskir, and some of the old baskirian tribe names (f.e. Jen ...or Jelegh, or so and Jurmati) is /was in hung. the same.
The volga-bulgarians called the volga-hungarians badjgirth, but f. e. the mongols in the 1240's called them madjar; and the hungarianhungarians:-) were called kerel. (the people of the king /kirly) Edited by Tar Szernd - 17-Jun-2007 at 14:26 |
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