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    Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 18:07
Originally posted by xi_tujue

I'm sorry but all your pic suck compared to this one

the Kazakh golden eagle and it's master



Look at the size of the Bird
 
 
What a wonder, next to that ugly strange looking shark! Diffently need to get one of these as well, along side that smelly flower, called the corpse.
 
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The Boke of St.Albans (1486) attributes different birds of prey to different ranks and status's in Medieval Europe. The social heirarchy and bird went approximately like this:

Emperor: Golden Eagle, Vulture, & Merlin 

 
 
King: Gyrfalcon (male & female)
Prince: Female Peregrine
 
Duke: Rock Falcon (subspecies of the Peregrine)
 

Earl: Peregrine

*See Above*
 
Baron: Male peregrine
*See Above*

Knight: Saker

 
Squire: Lanner Falcon

Lady: Female Merlin

*See Above*
 
Yeoman: Goshawk or Hobby

Priest: Female Sparrowhawk

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Holywater clerk: Male Sparrowhawk
 
*See Above*
 
Knaves, Servants, Children: Old World Kestrel
 


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Hi!
 
Hungarian falconer.
 
TSz
 
(as soon as I can find the picture-sorry:-/ )


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So you're the Hungarian Falconer? That's awesome. Eagerly awaiting pics Approve
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Originally posted by Knights

So you're the Hungarian Falconer? That's awesome. Eagerly awaiting pics Approve
 
Hi!
 
Nooo!!LOL (But I know one of them)
I have somewhere a picture about a silver dish with a hungarian (or maybe bulgarian) falconer from the X. Century.
 
The first hungarian kings of the rpd dinasty originated themself (before the "attila-legends came into Hungary with western priests-interesting:-) from the Turul. This falcon made with Emese in her dream lmos (The 'Dreamer'), the father of rpd.  So falcons and falconry had a large tradition in Hungary, maybe the european falconry has a hungarian (or maybe avarian or hunnish), and arabian origin.
 
We have here in Hungary a lot of falcons, kestrels etc, but there is a big criminal smuggling gang too, wich is transporting the poor birds into the arabian countries, because there are just a few of them, and the "imported" european birds can't endure the desert climate very long, so the falconers there need new wares every time.
 
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Originally posted by Tar Szernd

We have here in Hungary a lot of falcons, kestrels etc, but there is a big criminal smuggling gang too, which is transporting the poor "Hungarian" birds into the Arabian countries, because there are just a few of them, and the "imported" European birds can't endure the desert climate very long, so the falconers there need new wares every time.

That's not too good.  Why can't they just go and get themselves goshawks or hobbies possibly - from their region. So they are doing this illegally? Nuke
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Certenly. Yes. Some schools and the scouts are organizing guards under the nest-trees every year.
 
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Originally posted by Knights

Originally posted by xi_tujue

I'm sorry but all your pic suck compared to this one

the Kazakh golden eagle and it's master



Look at the size of the Bird


Yes that is a great picture of such a majestic bird.
To answer Top Gun in terms of measurements, the Golden Eagles can grow to 75-90cm (about 30-35inches) and can weigh up to 3 - 6.5kg (roughly 6-14lb). Though that does not seem big enough to take down a wolf, their talons are very formidable indeed, able to rip huge lacerations in the wolf. I don't think a Golden Eagle would be able to grab a wolf in its talons and fly off with it though, while still alive..Smile
The eagles were said to kill the wolves while on the ground as eagles will kill deer fawns,small sheep,foxes and dogs and not carry them off but eat on the spot also Harpy eagles and others are even more powerful than golden eagles and would have an easer time of it.LOL
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Yes Harpy Eagles are like tanks! They are really stocky, and perfectly adapted for living in their dense rainforest environment.


Other large eagles:
Philippine Eagle (highly endangered, but has an awesome hair-do)




Crowned Eagle:


Martial Eagle:




Steller's Sea Eagle:(Heaviest Eagle in the World, narrowly in front of Harpy and Philippine)




Bald Eagle:
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Saw it necessary to revive a topic I'm so passionate about. I got this brief history of falconry off a website, and it's quite fascinating. It really illustrates how valuable, even priceless, the royalties' birds of prey were.

  • Empress Catherine of Russia - her favorite falcon was Merlin
  • Mary, Queen of Scots - was allowed to fly a Merlin from her window during her imprisonment
  • Edward III of England - during the invasion of France, he brought 30 falconers and 70 foxhounds to occupy his knights between campaigns
  • Ethelbert II of England - likely the first English king to be a falconer
  • Alfred the Great - also wrote on falconry
  • King Henry - called Henry the Fowler for his love of falconry
  • Canute the Great - King of England
  • Edward the Confessor - King of England
  • Athelstan of England
  • Henry VII
  • Henry VIII - had very elaborate mews built where the National Gallery in Trafalgar Square stands today
  • Francis I of France - kept 300 falcons and 50 masters of falconry
  • Queen Elizabeth I - one source claims she had a woman Grand Master of Falconry, Mary of Canterbury
  • Maximilian I - Holy Roman Emperor
  • King Richard - took his birds with him on the Crusades; when he was captured part of his ransom was 2 white Gyrfalcons
  • King John - had a passion for crane hawking with a cast of Gyrfalcons which were a gift from the King of Norway
  • James I - commissioned the translation of the Bible into English; a falconer, but also experimented with cormorants and osprey to take fish; kept white-tailed sea eagles for hunting teal
  • James IV - ran large, organized hunts on horseback; believed to have spent 1,000 pounds on a pair of Gyrfalcons (approx. modern day 125,000 pounds<<edited in by Knights) from Scotland
  • Henry II - favorite birds were eyass Peregrines from Ramsey Island (Wales); he and his nobles were known to bring their hooded birds to the table during meals
  • Charlemagne - believed all gentlemen should be trained in falconry
  • Ottoman Sultan Beyazid - kidnapped the son of Philip the Bold and turned down the ransom of 200,000 gold ducats accepting 12 white Gyrfalcons and a jeweled gauntlet paid for by Carl VI of France
  • King Cardoman
  • Edward III
  • Edward IV
  • Edward the Black Prince - took 30 falconers with him when he invaded France
It truly is mind boggling the value of such birds, and after just watching an episode of "The worst jobs in history" (Services of the monarchy) involving the job an English falconer, the birds were extremely highly prized.

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Does anyone have any medieval images of arab, saracen, or islamic falconry from the period?
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