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    Posted: 23-Feb-2007 at 01:00
Originally posted by bg_turk

I rarely fast, never pray, eat pork from time to time and love alcohol. Can I still be considered a muslim?
 
In my opinion yes. However, up to you to decide how you feel.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2007 at 01:10
Originally posted by JanusRook

Another question Barbar, is there an accepted interpretation of the Quran or is it up to individuals to interpret it as they see fit, as long as it does not contradict any other parts of the Quran?

Is it improper for a layman to interpret the Quran without in depth knowledge of the book?
 
There are generally four traditional schools of thought in Sunni Islam, and various Shia ones. However, it really is up to the invididual to read the Qu'ran and interpret it to themsleves.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2007 at 01:15
Originally posted by bg_turk

Originally posted by Tangriberdi

Originally posted by bg_turk

I rarely fast, never pray, eat pork from time to time and love alcohol. Can I still be considered a muslim?
If you eat pork you disobey God and his prohibition.
Out of Islam.


I have always taught of myself as atheist anyway. Well, I suppose I will burn in hell. Why not at least enjoy the earthly pleasures while I can...
 
 
Eating pork is a dieatry guideline. It's a sin to eat it because it's not healthy, and it hurts your body. However, that is a personal choice. No one can tell you that you are not muslim. Nor will you go to hell for eating pork, hell I bet you that guy "tangriberdi" had some pork unknowingly along the way.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2007 at 01:16
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim


I have always taught of myself as atheist anyway. Well, I suppose I will burn in hell. Why not at least enjoy the earthly pleasures while I can...

Thats a very odd sentence if you think about it. Its like accepting Islams correct while dening it.
Besides, Tangriberdi's sin is worse than yours in my opinion
 
In mine too. To tell someone what he is or is not is definetly a sin. No person has any jurisdiction over another in matters of faith. It is completely personal between the person and God.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2007 at 01:20
Originally posted by Neoptolemos

Originally posted by malizai_

  1. Non believers-goto eternal hell.
  2. Non-believers with no clear proofs- God tries them before hell or heaven.
  3. Believers-Bad outweigh good deeds-goto hell--punishment first--finally heaven.(mercy may still take precedence)
  4. Believers- Good outweigh bad deeds-Goto heaven.
  5. Believers-rejecting faith/associating partners/suicide/magic-Goto eternal hell."

What if somebody is a non-believer, but his good deeds outweight the bad ones?

I also have a question about "Shirk". A Christian believes in the one God, but doesn't believe in Muhammad. Does that make him "shirk"?
 
No. Belief in God is belief in God. Shirk is not believing at all, or believing in multiple gods.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2007 at 01:56
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

es bih posted: Or just be a muslim the way it was intended to be without the shia, sunni, or any other sub-groups or codes of conduct written two centuries after the fact.
 
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it's been a very long time since i have heard it put that way...Smileand the day and the place and person, remain a cherished memory. My friend was at the time a Captain in the Tunisian Army, of Islamic faith, because of his family's political, governmental service and his subsequent carrer (he retired as a General) and their current position within the state I shall refrain from identifying his name.
 
Suffice it to say that back in 1984, he said something remarkably familiar, to that and it not only made sense; but then he went on and loaded the up the next TPT round and i shot it........ you see, we were conducting a gunnery exercise at FT. Knox, Ky.  and he was my fellow student at the United States Army Armor Officer Advance Course...and he's still my friend.
 
Glad to know that other people think so too.
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