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    Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 00:55
If you are right and there is nothing wrong with porn and prostitution, then maybe is mankind what needs urgently to be repaired.
 
Wild animal behavoir is something civilization has tried hard to left behind. But prostitution and vice persist.
 
Well, civilization always fall under the attack of barbarians, anyways.
 
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  Quote Lepidodendron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 01:55
If pornography were that undermining to human society, society would have collapsed long ago. It was not invented with the internet, you see. Roman soldiers already used to carry around dirty booklets and yet were generally quite successful in doing their job. Let (adult) people do whatever they like, as long as no abuse is involved.
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  Quote Slick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 01:57
The FBI points out that pornography may have a direct relationship to sex crimes. In one large western city, an agency report states, the vice squad advised that 72 percent of the individuals arrested for rape and child-related sexual offenses had in their possession some type of pornographic material. (Thomas S. Monson, Pornographythe Deadly Carrier, Ensign, Nov. 1979, 66)
 
 
To me this is just LOL material...
 
Most guys I know have pr0n. I know a lot of people who have in possession 'pornographic materials' and there's nothing wrong with them. The problem with the FBI's investigation is that it examines a correlation between sex offense and pornography, but the study does not show IN ANY WAY that having pornography causes sex offense. Correlation =/= Causation. :/
 
It's like if the FBI made a report that said:
 
"In one large western city, the FBI went into the houses of sex offenders and found that nearly every one had in their possession some sort of can opener."
 
OR
 
"In one large western city, the FBI went into the houses of sex offenders and found that nearly every one had in their possession some sort of silverware."
 
Clearly, even if the sex offenders have silverware or can openers, it doesn't mean that the silverware or can openers are causing them to go out and commit sexually-related crimes. Similarly, having the porno probably does not cause them to commit sexually-related crimes either.
 
Who cares if the sex offenders have pornography? It doesn't prove that having pornography causes people to go out and rape somebody. If anything, the possession of porno probably stops many people from acting on their sexual whims.
 
Leave porno alone. The US has enough people in prison for totally inane things. This country does not need to have more victimless crimes added to the law-books. If people want to look at porn, so be it. If they don't hurt anybody in doing so, then there's nothing wrong with the porn. Exploitation of kids for porn is wrong, of course, but let's focus on legal and consensual adult porn for this thread.


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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 02:03
Well, sexual media is encouraging sexual activites. It could have some impact on crime, I am sure. For instance, I heard from sex ed. that people often rape women because they think that women actually want to get rape, but they hide it or something. And media actually shows these things. And add the fact that when people wants sexual activities... they don't reason well, do they. Like when people are drunk.
     
   
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  Quote Lepidodendron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 02:28
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Well, sexual media is encouraging sexual activites. It could have some impact on crime, I am sure. For instance, I heard from sex ed. that people often rape women because they think that women actually want to get rape, but they hide it or something.
 
That sounds more like some lame excuse on behalf of the person who raped.
 
 
 
 
 
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Pornography is much like violent video games. In that people who are wired to be violent become more violent when they play those video games, and people who arent violent dont become any different.

Pornography does the same thing, if you are a healthy individual then most pornography will not effect you one way or another. However if you have a depraved mind pornography will send you into a place that may end up hurting others.

Personally pornography is bad for teenagers since autoerotica doesnt lend itself to hooking up. Then again if your one of those people that doesnt believe that teenagers should be hooking up then hand them a Hustler or something.

Pornography is bad because it pushes women into degradation. Rather than using sex as a positive force much of pornography stems from roles that make women mere objects, either to dominate or be dominated by. When one looks at pornography you dont wonder about the womans interests or how shes feeling today. No one just stares at the human doll that exists only so one can get off.

The fact of the matter is is that many porn stars dont see anything wrong with the roles they play for others. However, many fo these same porn stars were sexually abused while younger and thus pornography to them is just the way things are supposed to be. Also many porn stars also turn to drugs and alchohol later in life so the industry can't be too kind on them.

Now I know I just made a bunch of generalizations but in many situations they hold true. Im not going to say pornography needs to be banned, nor am I going to say those that view pornography are doing anything vile. What I am saying though is that people have to realize that pornography isn't just some harmless form of entertainment. It can affect lives in more ways then you imagine. Unfortunetely these seem to be mostly negative, and never positive. (Personally pornography to me is at best a waste of time.)
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Pornography is a vice, like drinking alcohol or aspiring cocaine. A way to stimulate the brain and evade reality.
 
Like any vice, once the pornography seeker enters in the cycle of porn it is very difficult to quit. Little by little will look for greater "emotions". Of them, a little group of mentally ill people end rapping and killing to satisfy theirs desires.
 
Perhaps, instead of glorifiying porn, we should invest more resources in the control of sex offenders and in the rewiring of theirs brains.
 
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Great points, pinguin, dear Chilean friend...
 
Pornography is like an illness, IMO... It can make you addictive if you have consciousness problems and asocial life as if includes nicotine
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 19:44
Originally posted by Lepidodendron

Originally posted by pekau

Well, sexual media is encouraging sexual activites. It could have some impact on crime, I am sure. For instance, I heard from sex ed. that people often rape women because they think that women actually want to get rape, but they hide it or something.
 
That sounds more like some lame excuse on behalf of the person who raped.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Indeed. I am sure that they are just making it up for excuse.
     
   
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  Quote Slick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 20:52
Lol, sometimes you can't always satisfy your natural urge to have sex. So there's nothing wrong with looking at pornography to satisfy it. I think that people look way too far into pron. It's hardly a vice. Looking it at is for the most part victimless, assuming that the pron you are looking at is adult pron (and the adults who are in it consented to be in it).
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Lack of self control because they cannot satisfy natural urge. That is a problem for humanity.
     
   
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  Quote je1ani Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2007 at 14:25
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Lack of self control because they cannot satisfy natural urge. That is a problem for humanity.

No that's a problem for women...Tongue
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Smut!
Give me smut and nothing but!
A dirty novel I can't shut
If it's uncut
and unsubt-le.

I've never quibbled
If it was ribald.
I would devour
Where others merely nibbled.
As the judge remarked the day that he acquitted my Aunt Hortense,
"To be smut
It must be ut-
Terly without redeeming social importance."

Por-
Nographic pictures I adore.
Indecent magazines galore,
I like them more
If they're hard core.

Bring on the obscene movies, murals, postcards, neckties, samplers, stained
glass windows, tattoos, anything!
More, more, I'm still not satisfied!

Stories of tortures
Used by debauchers
Lurid, licentious and vile,
Make me smile.
Novels that pander
To my taste for candor
Give me a pleasure sublime.
Let's face it I love slime!

Old books can be indecent books,
Though recent books are bolder.
For filth, I'm glad to say,
Is in the mind of the beholder.
When correctly viewed,
Everything is lewd.
I could tell you things about Peter Pan
And the Wizard of Oz - there's a dirty old man!

I thrill
To any book like Fanny Hill,
And I suppose I always will
If it is swill
And really fil-thy.

Who needs a hobby like tennis or philately?
I've got a hobby: rereading Lady Chatterley.
But now they're trying to take it all away from us unless
We take a stand, and hand in hand we fight for freedom of the press.
In other words: Smut!  I love it.
Ah, the adventures of a slut.
Oh, I'm a market they can't glut.
I don't know what
Compares with smut.
Hip, hip, hooray!
Let's hear it for the Supreme Court!
Don't let them take it away!
Tom Lehrer, 1965
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 -Child pornography is a crime, consentual sex is not.

 -If you've read the works of Aristotle, Plato and the like(And I'm sure many of you have) you'll see that sex often comes up in the conversations(Especially Plato) and it's just a casual part of the conversation. That's not the way things are today. Sex is for some reason a taboo(Not so much anymore, but still) and I blame the Abrahamic religions(Though I have not done any extensive research) for making it so. Supression never works, as is evident throughout history and it only fuels the fire. Just look at all the revolutions that have taken place and how much more fierce the ones where the populous has been supressed.

 -Now that sex is becoming less of a taboo all the supressed feelings are unleashed and pornography is one of the mediums. Now, let me make something clear, I do not think that pornography is wrong or immoral in any way, it's just that the view on sex in most pornography is scewed and that's not a good thing. Branding the porn industry as sleazy and immoral does not help either as it makes it a breeding ground for people who are sleazy and immoral. Anything that the populous wants but is supressed or looked down upon will always do this and it is never a wise thing. Take drugs for instance, making it illegal only makes it attract people who have no issues with destroying the lives of people. The same thing goes for prostitution.

 -You cannot lecture the people on how they are to live their lives or what they are to like, you can only make sure that things don't get out of control.
 
I agree with Roadkill,
 
Pornography used to be encouraged quite a bit in the olden days! In fact, buddist temples (that are still around today) used pornographic sculptures and carvings in its structure as a means of sex education.
 
Now, inevitably we have more advanced methods to go about doing this. And yes, sex has become a taboo. If you're anything like me, you get looked at quite strangely by the person youre speaking with when you casually bring up a sexual or sex-related topic.  
 
If you take a look at the Demographic Transition Model, Stage 1 countries have a high death reate and therefore rely on a high birth rate to ensure the survival of the population. This needs to be promoted somehow in LEDCs (less Economically Developed Countries)....
 
In the Western World as well as most of Europe and many other MEDCs which are at Stage 3 or 4 of the DTM - we have a phenomenal collection of technological resourses! Photography, and thus Pornography have been introduced as a substitute for paintings. (I have studied art, and with it the eras of "pornographic" art, how and why it sold etc...).
 
Yes, I know that the camera was certainly not invented for that purpose. Nor was the car invented to replace bedrooms (and the bedrooms.... because, well, technicaly people have a physical freedom to make love anywhere - were the only animals who do not have sex in pubic), nor were the vibrating toothbrush and the handshower invented as a means of female masturbation! (Don't ask!). But someone explain to me: why were all so sex hungry? I'm not accusing us al of being sex addicts, but accusing us of possessing a very healthy biological mechanism that, for the general population, cannot be denied (but can be controlled however) if one is aroused. Its natural. Its healthy. Its human.
 
We are more civilized as a human race. We have evolved, but our evolution reflects our necessity (or lack of) to procreate. We're More Econmically Developed. We don't need to have a lot of children anymore to ensure survival. So therefore sex isnt as encouraged, and methods of contraception have been introduced. It must be kept in the back of our minds that although our lifestyles have changed to suit our more economically developed/technologically advanced society.... we still possess the healthy desire for sex.   
 
From my female standpoint, I do not view men who look at pornograhy as sick or vile or anything to that effect. They are free to do whatever they must to stimulate themselves. Although joked about in modern society, or even believed to be unethical.... in reality, I feel, it is a healthy practice for males.
 
But why, I ask, if we are not in need of so many children.... why is sex promoted so much? Think about it!
The entertainment buisiness is swarming with sex scenes... Music Videos and music in general has to do with love, sex and romance.... the videos themselves have females dancing erotically.... you know exactly what I'm talking about.... Even in Islam, although I'm told it is not promoted in any way, Bollywood female actors have adapted to compete with Hollywood by dressing like American actresses and being on television without wearing a headscarf. I see Muslim girls at my school remove their Hijjab and throw it in their locker during school hours only to put it back on at the end of the day before their parents see them without it on. I know it isnt a necessity in the Islamic faith, but having lived with a Muslim family at one point, I understand that it is highly encouraged for a female to dress modestly and apropriately for her safety - and having limited association with members of the oppsite sex, or encountering them privately - another form of behavior which I'm seeing more and more frequently. In understand that sometimes this kind of interaction is unavoidable on a professional basis.... thats fine.... but when I see a Muslim boy and Muslim girl dating behind their parents backs.... I cannot help but question if their behavior is generated from the influence of the couples around them or the infuence the media is having on destroying traditional islamic culture.      
Even IB students read intense romance novels from around the world as part of their "Language A" (in my case, English class) curriculum.... Like Water for Chocolate, In the Skin of a Lion, House of Spirits etc.... Are they trying to get the intellects to populate the world?
Don't get me started with these online dating services..... I can't hardly open my hotmail inbox without seeing a Lavalife ad of some kind! Clearly its being targetted to the particular age group that uses hotmail.  
 
Seriously though! I don't know of too many males over the age of 18 that HAVNT seen any pornography.... why? Because although tabod, its promoted. Its popular.    
 
And who knows, maybe the government is trying to prepare us all for war or something.... a higher population = more survivors = a shorter recovery and recuperate time the country will need if it is attacked....
 
I think its a conspiracy. If this is true, the government and the media is simply taking advantage of that biological mechanism. Either by making money, or making babies... Democracy? What is this "democracy" that you speak of?
 
In spite of all this assumption, I still am not against adult pornography. Dont get me wrong, (sexual) child explotation, child pornography and child abuse is not healthy. And of course, I feel that young children should not be exposed or introduced to pornography.
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Great points, pinguin, dear Chilean friend...
 
Pornography is like an illness, IMO... It can make you addictive if you have consciousness problems and asocial life as if includes nicotine
 
This argument is like trying to ban boxing on TV to prevent violence crimes. Or outlawing movies or films about gangsters. People who rape (or eg commits unnecessary violence) have other serious problems, and they are certainly not created by pornography. The problem is somewhere else, and banning pornography wouldn't help. It's not like the world was devoid of rape until the first pictures of nude women turned up a century ago.
 
As you said, yes it can make certain people addictive, but that's because they have other problems. If anything, mentally ill asocial people who sit in their rooms looking at pornography all day(if you really think this is a widespread way of life that is...) would be even more frustrated and dangerous if they hadn't this opportunity to went at least a little steam.
Fact remains, the vast majority of people who look at porn are just regular normal young men who aren't negatively affected.


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We might in fact need less porn, at least in our western societies, but above all we need BETTER porn.

I.e. less insulting to both brain and other parts of our bodies. Really, especially about US porn, I never could grasp the need to constantly repeat "sl*t", "wh*re", "b*itch". And more people look as if they are in pain than having fun.

I've seen a lot of game-play in the European stuff (and at least acting as if they enjoy it), but not the constant, automatic and unthinking derogatory slurs about females having sex.
What's with that?
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And following on from that, they need to replace the background music with something you wouldn't expect to hear in a bloody elevator.
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Originally posted by Joinville

We might in fact need less porn, at least in our western societies, but above all we need BETTER porn.

I.e. less insulting to both brain and other parts of our bodies. Really, especially about US porn, I never could grasp the need to constantly repeat "sl*t", "wh*re", "b*itch". And more people look as if they are in pain than having fun.

It adds to the excitement Tongue
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Originally posted by Joinville

We might in fact need less porn, at least in our western societies, but above all we need BETTER porn.

I.e. less insulting to both brain and other parts of our bodies. Really, especially about US porn, I never could grasp the need to constantly repeat "sl*t", "wh*re", "b*itch". And more people look as if they are in pain than having fun.

It adds to the excitement Tongue

Well, "de gustibus non est disputandum".

Each to his own... (but it still makes me wonder about the US).
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