when Arabic language became the Official languge of the Caliphate

i didnt say it was not preserved, i said it was used unofficially, by that i meant it was used between the people but not officially so they had Arabic as the second language and Arabic was used more.

and i heard of the samanids and the buyids and that doesnt proove anything, i already mentioned that iran started getting red of arabic after it got its independence from the Abbasides.

Persian language got back as official language under the Shiea Kingdom.

no, i said because iran got red of arabic it saved the countries East of Iran, so they dealt with persian as official languge and saw no point in keeping arabic as official langugae so they went back to their local language as official language.

but the Shiea thing is one of the major factors, Sheia are more in favor of the ancient iranian history and iranian culture than sunnies from the fact that their Imams were married to Persian royality and they have huge respect for the zoroasterian man who killed Caliph Umar.

you got the whole issue wrong, meaning you totaly misunderstood what i was talking about.

i said Arabic was forced as official language and LOCAL languges were used unofficially.

that means these languges for sure wre preserved but not use as frequent as Arabic, from that the local languages were effected by the arabic and many of them were lost by time and few words survived.

Spain after the completion of the "reconquesta" did kick amost all Arabs musims and Jews and the Barbr from Spain. there were few who stayed and they had a freedom to stay muslims for the next 5 years or so then were forced to convert and they childern had to be christans with christan names and the arabic language were not used anymore.

actully the languge the spanish used that time was like 40% arabic, today the Spanish languge does has lots of Arabic words still from those days.

no they didnt force the languge.

as i said Caliph Umar did encourage the Learning of Arabic, that because he said its part of your religion ( from that muslims were encouraged to learn arabic) christans were not, some Assyrians who converted to Christianity in Iraq still speak aramaic in their Churches, Egyptians still Speak Koptic in their churches.

people saying muslims should speak arabic are the ones talking about the connection of the language to the religion , NOTE they didnt say dont speak your local language and they didnt say its forbidin to use your local language.

they only encourage muslims to at least know arabic. and thats their opinion.

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and the burning of historical places and ancient books and stuff has nothing with the language, they destroyed the ancient arabic idols and their worship places , does that mean they hated arabic languge?

thats religion thing has nothing to do with forcing the languge on people, as i said it was not forced untill Caliph Abdul Malik. who made Arabic official.

obviosly he had no contorl over people's daily lives so the people kept talking with their mother langugae but used less in schools and governemnts and courts.

to be honest i dont know what are you talking about?

this topic about how arabic became official languge in the Caliphate, the destruction of non-islamic texts had nothing to do with persian languge it has to do with that they were not islamic.

persian language was written in the governments till the time of Caliph Abdul Malik, and he ordered that that should be changed to ARabic and arabic to be used officially.

i didnt potray anybody as saint or anything

what i wrote is what i mean please dont make up stuff yourself and accuse me of saying or meaning. if you are confused you need to just ask.

Well the whole of central asian fine arts was in Persian, to be educated you had to speak persian. If the Iranis for some reason weren't using persian then it wasn't due to the Arabs. Although I can't claim that no scientific texts were destroyed, a huge amount of Irani science was transmitted to the rest of the world purely because of the Arab Empire.

I would point out that all the areas that speak Arabic now, are also places which spoke Semitic languages before the conquest. Semitic languages were spoken in Egypt, Syria and Iraq. The great exception of course is North Africa, but the ethnic composition of those regions was greatly modified in the 8th century when the Banu Hilal tribes migrated there from Arabia. My point is that people who spoke Semitic languages would have had a much easier time learning Arabic, and the local colloquial language would borrow more and more from the official language of the empire, until it became identical (or very close). It is my understanding that popular Arabic varies from country to country, and I would advance the hypothesis that these variations are due to the mixing with the local semitic language, whether it be Coptic in Egypt, or Aramaic/Phoenician in Syria. Contrast these regions with places like Central Asia, Spain or Pakistan, also conquered by the Arabs, but which spoke languages from the Indo-European and Altaic families, and hence where the common people would have a much harder time learning Arabic.

While the aristocracy in Egypt were Greeks or Romans, the common people still spoke Coptic or Demotic. The language has survived until the 18th century, so why shouldn`t it be very much alive by the time of the Arab invasions? There is a common misconception of equating the language of the aristocracy and that of administration, with the language of the common people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_language

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Language 

As for Iraq, again, it had been under Persian dominance for a thousand years (with interruptions of course). But to my knowledge the Achemenids , the Parthians and the Sassanians never attempted to impose their language (which did not resemble the language of the people which was Aramaic) upon the populace. The Iranians were more tolerant in this respect than the Arabs after them. The common people spoke Aramaic until the Arab conquest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

Read the "Common Era" section in the link above. And read up more on Aramaic below, particulary the Middle Aramaic sections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language

As a rule of thumb, don't let yourself be fooled into thinking that just because a certain empire or culture dominates an area, that immediately means that the common people who live far from the court and who have never even heard of the great poets and artists, would speak the same language as the elite. Throughout history, societies have tended to be multilingual and multicultural more often than not; and on countless occasions aristocracies speaking a certain language have ruled over populations who spoke a different language altogether.

i never said that the egyptian language was greek or roman, i meant they were more influenced culturally by the greeks and romans by the time the arabs had come.

the greek and roman influence is obvious in egypt by the way the later dynasties built their statues and drew their pictures and their architecture.

yes, there is still today some arabic influnce left, like words, the script, etc...

the occupation lasted for 222 years, so ofcourse somethings are still with us. infact, arabic has a lot of iranian influnces also.

to 1001nights

you are wellcome,

about the sources, i wrote that article after quick reading through historical books i have in my PC, didnt copy this article from any site.

the first part about the distribution of the Arabic language in the region before islam is a common knowledge and you can find it in many places, just an example from the script thread i had here there are some pre-islamic arabic scriptures were found in Palestine and Syria.

about the part of the size of the Islamic Caliphate, its also a common knowledge you can find in almost all historical islamic books.

the only part which i gave my own opinion is the last part about how Iran and the countries east of it kept their languages and how spain got red of Arabic.

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Maju

north africa's sheia were/are not like the Iranian ones, also they cam in the 900s, more than 200 years after the orders of Abdul Malik to make arabic official.