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    Posted: 14-Aug-2014 at 09:32
Interesting thread this! How about this theory about the birth of IE language in Anatolia, does it put things on a different footing? 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120823175406.htm


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Unfortunately have I lost the link, where linguists show, that Renfrew's theorie is flawed. But it seems, that his thesis can not be supported, allthough it is interesting.
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Originally posted by Komnenos

Not that again. Not another try to portray the Franks as anything else but Germanic. Didn't you try to sell us the idea that the Franks were actually Gauls a few month ago. New research done since?

As we all know, the Franks originated as a federation of smaller West-Germanic tribes, settled in what is now The Netherlands and the German federal states of Lower-Saxony and North-Rhine Westphalia, who a few centuries earlier had come down from Scandinavia.
The first Frank that ever came close to the Caucasus was Charlemagne's ambassador on the way to the Harun al-Raschid in Bagdad.
This is correct, the Franks were a group of Germanic tribes who invaded the Celtic lands in France which forced the Celts to invade the Roman Empire through Spain and Carthage, and then the Franks set their eyes on the empire, although the Goths got there first.
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Originally posted by Maju

Right. Denmark and other Nordic regions were settled by people from Central and or Western Europe (of post-Magdalenian culture ) in the late Paleolithic (epi-Paleolithic), when the ice cap melted and the warmer climate allowed for it.

But these peoples surely didn't speak Indo-European (Germanic) tongues. They acquired them at some point in the following process:
  1. In the 4th milennium BCE, pre-IE peoples from Ukraine move northwards to the Baltic shores and then to Denamrk and Sweden creating a hybrid culture (central Sweden is colonized then)
  2. In the 3rd milennium BCE, IE peoples known variously as the Battle Axe peoples and the Corded Ware people expand into all Central Europe from Belarus to Western Germany. A variation of them (the Individual Burials culture) takes over the Scandinavian region. This is one of the moments that can be considered at the origin of Germanic linguistic group.
  3. In the Bronze Age (c. 1300 BCE) the IE peoples of the Urnfields culture, stabilished north of the Alps expand in deferent directions, influencing the Nordic and East-Central European (IE) cultures. I'm uncertain if this influence can be considered as a invasion or not. If so, it could be another startpoint of Germanization.
It's pretty clear that Germanic and Italic (Latin) tongues are closely relatead inside the Western IE group. Nevertheless the archaeological logic of this connection is obscure. Much would be understood if, as some propose, Celtic languages (participant of the Urnfields phenomenon for sure) are also in that Westernmost goup... but others seem to find them pretty distant.

Whatever the case, the Germanic peoples appear formed with the Iron Age in Scandinavia and Northern Germany, and, benefitting from a weakness of the Celtic socio-political structure, they start scratching their territory in what now is Central and Southern Germany, Czech Republic and other nearby regions. This German expansionism is mentioned as causant of the migration of the Helveti that caused Caesars' intevention in Gaul.

I have no idea where you’re getting this Ukraine’s thing from, the Germanic tribes originated in the Hallstatt culture, the same place the southern German and northern Italian Celts came from. And the Germanic and Italic languages were similar because they both descended from said Hallstatt culture.
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Originally posted by Killabee

I think they moved from the Scandinavia  and settled down in the West and Central Europe region during the Roman Empire Period. Hence, Scandinavian and German are closely related linguistically and racially.
Other way around, they originated in southern Germany and moved north and south into italy
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