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Dear friends!!!

I want to open discussion on the topic which is related to our joint history and current situation. As you probably don't know, there are two Azerbaijan in the world. The first one is Azerbaijan Republic which was became independet from russian rule in 1991 and the second is South Azerbaijan which is still under farsi shovinistic domination. The history of azeri nation and Azerbaijan land is tragic from one side and glorius from anouther. Most of you even don't know that during more than 500 years Iran was ruled by azeri-turk dinasties of Sefevids and Qajars. The founder of Sefevids dinasty Shah Ismal Xatai I of Sefevid was one of the greates lider in azeri and persian history. He was born in Azerbaijan and his azeri-trkish tribe became a ruler family in the whole azeri-persian state. In actual fact he was a person who at the first time unified South Azerbaijan and North Azerbaijan under one big Sefevid Empire. It was a trully turkic empire, because the ruler dinasty was tukish, armya forces were ruled and consists of turkish kizilbash tribe and the whole art and aristokratic elit were also consists of azeri-turks.

After hundread of years of Sefevid's rule, there was a time when Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar become a ruler of Empire. He was a founder of one of the greatest azeri-turk dinasty - Qajars. Since the beginnings of Qajar's rule, the borders of empire were become wider and wider. He is a person who destroyed his anemys and created a huge state. Qajars created a brilliant art and cultural background of azeri and pars nations. The famous Qajar art-painting school was one of the greates in the world. In present dayas, the Qajar paintings are located in major world museums. There is a few perfect Qajar paintings in Baku art museum as wellas in many Qajar families in Azerbaijan. The importancy of Qjars in Azerbaijan history is, that the many princes and khans of Qajar family were rulers of azeri khanats and provinces both in north and south of Azerbaijan.

For many years, and especially after pars general Pexlevi became a shah in Iran, the tru history of Iran and of course Azerbaijan was not available to many people in the world. The tirany of Pexlevi pars family were widely spreaded against 20 million azeriturks in South Azerbaijan. But azeri people always dreamed their independence or at least cultural autonomy in Iran. There were many attempts for independence by azeri people in Iran during 20th century. The major two attempts are:the movement  in 1918-1920 lead by Hiya bani and the second is liberations movement is 1943-1947 lead by Sayiid Jafar Pishevari who with help of soviet Azerbaijan could create an Independent Demokratic Republic of South of Azerbaijan. See picture of the first President of Demokratic Republic of South Azerbaijan - Mr.Pishevari.

Jafar Pishevari

 

 

 

 

 

There is a strong desiry of azeri young people in South Azerbaijan to gain independece and unified with their brothers in North. They want to make it piecefully and basis on agreement with pars nation.  The below picture was made last year in South Azerbaijan where about 2 million of azeries from South Azerbaijan and from North Azerbaijan came to comemorate the one of the greatest son of azeri nation - Babek. The documentary movie of this event was showed in Azeri TV in Baku and also in our communities around the world. Our brothers put our azerbaijani flag in the top of Babek gala.

I am sure that one day azeri-turks from both side of Araks rivew will be together and will create one state. And unified Azerbaijan will finally have a long land border with our turk brothers in Mother Turkey.

"I am proud to be turk" Ataturk

Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.

Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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The Azerbaijan Question in Iran: A Crucial Issue For Iran's Future

 

by Dr. Nasib Nasibzade

 

[also published in the Caspian Crossroads magazine, Winter 1998]

 

Iran is a multinational country, composed of Persians, Azerbaijanis(Azerbaijani Turks), Kurds, Turkmens, Arabs, Baluchies and others. The Turkic origin Azerbaijanis in Iran are being discriminated against by the Iranian regime. This problem is further exaggerated by the fact that, the Azerbaijanis are themselves a divided nation, separated by the borders of Iran and the Republic of Azerbaijan. These two circumstances have combined to pose an Azerba ijan dilemma.

 

The History of the Problem

 

In the early nineteenth century the Russian Empire occupied the khanates of North Azerbaijan, which were de jure a part of Qajar Iran, but de facto were independent. Despite the close relations between North and Sout h Azerbaijan until the 1930s, these two parts of Azerbaijan have historically developed in separate ways: the division occurred at a time when national self-consciousness amongst Azerbaijanis was not strong enough. It played an essential role in creating distinctions between South and North Azerbaijan.

The inclusion of North Azerbaijan into the Russian Empire-and consequently the cultural differences between Russians and Azerbaijanis-played a significant role in the appearance of self-awareness of Azerbaijanis. These differences have been expressed in language, religion, mentality, customs and historical roots. On the other hand, Northern Azerbaijan had been turned into a Russian colony in terms of tight control over its fiscal systems, exploitation of oil and other natural resources. Because of the fear of religious and ethnic affinity with the Ottoman Turks, Russia established special rule over North Azerbaijan, including repression of any sign of national movements. Despite this repression, the national movement in North Azerbaijan began earlier than in South Azerbaijan. The national movement in North Azerbaijan went through three evolutionary stages:

1. Demand for cultural autonomy (1905-1917).

2. Demand for national-territorial autonomy (1917-1918).

3. Struggle for national independence (since 1918).

 

Consequently, the creation of the independent Azerbaijan Democratic Republic in 1918, in Northern Azerbaijan formally symbolized the existence of Azerbaijanis as a separate nation.

During this period in South Azerbaijan several factors combined to ensure that a different course of events would transpire. The historical past, religious unity in terms of Shiism, cultural closeness, historical traditions of Persian l anguage and literature, and other related factors between Azerbaijanis and Persians slowed the development of the Azerbaijani national movement in Iran. At the same time, the permanent threat from Russia (Tsarist and Soviet) was an important factor that i nfluenced Azerbaijanis to put aside their national aspirations. For this reason, when Russian aggression against Iran at the end of the 19th and early 20th Centuries grew in its intensity, the main theorists of Pan-Iranism appeared to be of Persian as wel l as of Azerbaijani origin, such as Kasravi, Kazemzade, and Rezazade.

It is important to point here that for a long time during the Qajar and Pahlavi monarchies in Iran, and even in the present Islamic regime, there were and continue to be many ethnic Azerbaijanis, who carried substantial weight with the Iranian government. Those who joined the Iranian elite were tempted by the desire to have their social and economic needs met by the regime.

 

Azerbaijan in the Administrative and Demographic Structure of Iran

 

South Azerbaijan consists of Ardabil, East Azerbaijan, West Azerbaijan, Zenjan, Hamadan ostans (provinces), and the adjacent areas of Astara, Gazvin, and other ethnic territories. The size of these territories is est imated at approximately 170,000 sq. km. (the territory of North Azerbaijan is approximately 86,600 sq. km or roughly one third of the total area). Turks dominate by ethnic composition in the Azerbaijani provinces of Iran (more than 90% of the total popula tion).

It is difficult to determine the exact number of Azerbaijanis in Iran. Official statistics are not published detailing Iran's ethnic structure. According to our research, based on official statistics, indicate that the Azerbaijanis make up nearly 40% of the total population of Iran. This is 75% of all Azerbaijanis in the world.

Despite less territory and a smaller population, North Azerbaijan (Republic of Azerbaijan) is the political, ideological and cultural center of the Azerbaijani Turkish nation. However, the country's difficult geopolitical position has f orced Azerbaijan to look for allies in and out of the region. South Azerbaijan can be potentially the most faithful and strongest ally in the foreseeable future. The notion of a United Azerbaijan is very popular in the Republic of Azerbaijan.

 

Cultural Discrimination Policy

 

Persian chauvinism in Iran has hurt significantly the economic and social well being of South Azerbaijan. Chauvinism as a policy has been practiced implicitly by the Iranian regime and has targeted at its core the na tional culture of Azerbaijanis in South Azerbaijan. The Azerbaijani Turkish language had been removed from official use in all areas, including, schools, courts, government structures, and the army. Specific forms of Azerbaijani cultural expression are pr ohibited as well.

In the last parliamentary elections, Mr. Mahmud Chehregani, who ran on a platform of observing the 15th article of the constitution (that is on, using local languages for literature lessons in elementary schools), was elected in the fir st round of voting from Tabriz. His victory ended in a police interrogation, his torture and finally in arrest in Tehran.

 

National-Liberation Movement

 

The national-liberation movement of South Azerbaijan has a history going back 90 years. National-territorial autonomy demands were put before Iranian rulers during various movements-led by Sattarhan (1908-1909), Hiya bani (1920), Pishevari (1945-1946), Shariat-Madari (1979-1980). In their demands, they outlined various ways to resolve the pressing issues of nationality questions in Iran.

There are at least two factors that influence the current situation of the Azerbaijani national movement in Iran:

1. The rise of Azerbaijani Turkish national consciousness and diffusion of the national movement into a higher social strata.

2. The restoration of independent Azerbaijani statehood in the North.

 

Amongst Azerbaijanis in Iran there are three main viewpoints for dealing with the national problem of South Azerbaijan:

1. A group made up of religious, industrialists and bureaucrats, personalities who occupy a prominent position in the Iranian state, and their ideologists support the idea of a united Iran ("national Irano-centrists"). They strive to in crease the share of authority and capital within a single Iran. They support the notion of Turkisation of Iran. This group supports the idea of the unification of Iran with North Azerbaijan.

2. A group of intellectuals, industrialists and bureaucrats who fear the division of Iran and support the idea of granting South Azerbaijan (at the same time to other ethnic-national minorities) cultural or national-territorial autonomy , which is regarded by them as the optimal way of resolving the Azerbaijan problem. "Democracy to Iran, autonomy to Azerbaijan" is a very popular idea amongst this interest group.

3. The third group is represented by new political organizations and groups, which support the independence of South Azerbaijan and the idea of a United Azerbaijan. The appearance of these organizations signals the beginnings of a new s tage in developments related to the question of Azerbaijan in Iran. Those elements that are radical within these groups do not believe that the ethnic question in Iran can be resolved in an evolutionary manner. They believe that in order to achieve their national goals they should use all means possible, including military means if necessary.

The Iranian Government's Position

 

Any ethno-national issue in multi-ethnic Iran is one of the most important factors affecting the future of the country. Choosing the current form of government and its support is closely connected with the multinatio nal structure of Iran. The ideology of Pan-Iranism was hurt by the collapse of Shah's regime. Islam, as the centralizing ideology, became the main factor and brought the different nations together. The problem of non-Persian national minorities in Iran co incides with the problem of divided nations as well. The Iranian leadership deals with these problems by trying to involve representatives of ethnic groups and national minorities into government structures, but they do not make any concessions in the fie lds of language, culture or self-governance.

The sudden emergence of the independent Azerbaijan state in the North has caused many problems for the Iranian leadership. The mere existence of the Republic of Azerbaijan, above all, has had an important influence and impact on the nat ional movement in Iranian Azerbaijan.

The overall conclusion is that the future of Iranian statehood itself could be problematic. Part of the Iranian leadership, especially high-level politicians of Azerbaijani Turkish origin, support inclusion of the "ancient Iranian land, " i.e., the Republic of Azerbaijan into Iran. Most of the Iranian leadership, however, rejects such idea as unrealistic and undesirable. In their opinion, an increase in the Turkish elements in Iran and the politicization of the Azerbaijani population wil l cause additional concern for Persian nationalism.

Therefore, the current Iranian regime tries to bring the Republic of Azerbaijan into its political sphere of influence in an effort to eliminate the influence of the Republic of Azerbaijan on the Azerbaijani population of Iran. In so do ing, Iran is demonstrating the following political interests:

1. To prevent the formation of a truly independent and prosperous of the Republic of Azerbaijan and minimize its influence in South Azerbaijan, in order to insure the territorial integrity and internal stability of Iran.

2. To prevent the increase of US and Turkish influence in Azerbaijan and Central Asia.

3. To prevent integration of the Turkic world.

4. To gain strongholds in order to influence the Muslims of the Caucasus, Central Asia, and the Russian Volga region.

5. To have free access to Azerbaijan's market and natural resources.

6. In accordance with the official "export of Islamic revolution" doctrine, to create an Islamic, pro-Iranian regime in Azerbaijan.

Recently, there has been intensified ideological activity in Iran on the Azerbaijan question. The active propaganda on the "absence" of ethnic unity in both North and South Azerbaijan, the increased ideological struggle against Turkism and the Turkic world by official propaganda, the ignorance of existence of independent Azerbaijan by the people are all characteristic features of the official policy of Tehran. In addition, repressive measures and the police regime toward the Azerbaijani activists in Iran have also been increasing.

 

Conclusion

 

The resolution of ethnic problems in Iran, including the Azerbaijan problem, is closely related with democratization in Iran. In the near future and in the next political crisis in Iran, these ethnic issues will be o n the agenda. It should be noted that this topic played a role in the last presidential elections as well. The extent and intensity of the Azerbaijan question, that is, cultural autonomy, national-territorial autonomy or the demands for full independence will depend on the influence and integrity of ethnic forces, the extent of support for national ideals and finally, foreign factors.

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Good Idea!!, IF the Azeris in northern Iran genuinely want to unite with Azerbaijan and it can be achieved peacefully.

 I don't think the near future of Iran is very bright anyway, because of the American intentions in the region.  For they are preparing for further sanctions and diplomatic isolation of Iranians.

But to think it would be unified peacefully, i am very pessimistic. I don't think the farsi will be that willing.

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Originally posted by Qajar

 

Dear friends!!!

I want to open discussion on the topic which is related to our joint history and current situation. As you probably don't know, there are two Azerbaijan in the world. The first one is Azerbaijan Republic which was became independet from russian rule in 1991 and the second is South Azerbaijan which is still under farsi shovinistic domination.

Wrong, Iran is under joint Azeri and Persian rule and has been for 800 years.  Iran's Intelligence service, the one that persecutes you is dominated by Azaris, Iran's head of state is Azari, Iran's Empress is Azari.  You should really learn some facts here.

Your kind are the chauvinists (you should learn to spell to if you are going to spread lies).

As for the myth of a north and south Azarbaijan:

The name Azerbaijan for the Republic of Azerbaijan (Soviet Azerbaijan) was selected on the assumption that the stationing of such as republic would lead to that entity Iranian to become onethis is the reason why the name Azerbaijan was selected (for Arran)anytime when it is necessary to select a name that refers to the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, we should/can select the name Arran>>

Quote from Bartold, Soviet academic, politician and foreign office official. See Bartold, V.V., Sochineniia, Tom II, Chast I, Izdatelstvo Vostochnoi Literary, p.217, 1963. 

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/AZPartIIb.html

The history of azeri nation and Azerbaijan land is tragic from one side and glorius from anouther. Most of you even don't know that during more than 500 years Iran was ruled by azeri-turk dinasties of Sefevids and Qajars. The founder of Sefevids dinasty Shah Ismal Xatai I of Sefevid was one of the greates lider in azeri and persian history. He was born in Azerbaijan and his azeri-trkish tribe became a ruler family in the whole azeri-persian state. In actual fact he was a person who at the first time unified South Azerbaijan and North Azerbaijan under one big Sefevid Empire. It was a trully turkic empire, because the ruler dinasty was tukish, armya forces were ruled and consists of turkish kizilbash tribe and the whole art and aristokratic elit were also consists of azeri-turks.

That is half true.  Arran was a Part of the empire long before the Safavids, You have many Sassanid relics in Arran/Rep of Azerbaijan.

After hundread of years of Sefevid's rule, there was a time when Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar become a ruler of Empire. He was a founder of one of the greatest azeri-turk dinasty - Qajars. Since the beginnings of Qajar's rule, the borders of empire were become wider and wider. He is a person who destroyed his anemys and created a huge state. Qajars created a brilliant art and cultural background of azeri and pars nations. The famous Qajar art-painting school was one of the greates in the world. In present dayas, the Qajar paintings are located in major world museums. There is a few perfect Qajar paintings in Baku art museum as wellas in many Qajar families in Azerbaijan. The importancy of Qjars in Azerbaijan history is, that the many princes and khans of Qajar family were rulers of azeri khanats and provinces both in north and south of Azerbaijan.

Qajars were Turkmen from East of Iran, not Azarbaijan, thy are the idiots who lost Arran to the Russians, it is their fault Arran became separated.  Safavids were much greater.

For many years, and especially after pars general Pexlevi became a shah in Iran, the tru history of Iran and of course Azerbaijan was not available to many people in the world. The tirany of Pexlevi pars family were widely spreaded against 20 million azeriturks in South Azerbaijan. But azeri people always dreamed their independence or at least cultural autonomy in Iran. There were many attempts for independence by azeri people in Iran during 20th century. The major two attempts are:the movement  in 1918-1920 lead by Hiya bani and the second is liberations movement is 1943-1947 lead by Sayiid Jafar Pishevari who with help of soviet Azerbaijan could create an Independent Demokratic Republic of South of Azerbaijan. See picture of the first President of Demokratic Republic of South Azerbaijan - Mr.Pishevari.

Jafar Pishevari

 

 

 

 

 

There is a strong desiry of azeri young people in South Azerbaijan to gain independece and unified with their brothers in North. They want to make it piecefully and basis on agreement with pars nation.  The below picture was made last year in South Azerbaijan where about 2 million of azeries from South Azerbaijan and from North Azerbaijan came to comemorate the one of the greatest son of azeri nation - Babek. The documentary movie of this event was showed in Azeri TV in Baku and also in our communities around the world. Our brothers put our azerbaijani flag in the top of Babek gala.

I am sure that one day azeri-turks from both side of Araks rivew will be together and will create one state. And unified Azerbaijan will finally have a long land border with our turk brothers in Mother Turkey.

"I am proud to be turk" Ataturk

Pishevari was a Russian stooge and Khiyabani did not want secession from Iran, he even changed the name of Iranian Azerbaijan to Azadestan because the Russians changed the name of Arran to Azerbaijan.

Here: a picture of Azeris of Pishevari in Communist Russian Uniforms:

It is interesting that when the army retook Tabriz ther ewas no guerilla war or anything launched by discontented Azaris.

Letter to Stalin from Pishevari:

Dear and Kind Father Mir Jaafar Bagherov,

The people of south Azerbaijan who are, beyond any doubt, a part of north Azerbaijan, like all peoples of the world, have eyed their hopes on the great people of the Soviet Union and the government of the Soviet Union.>>

As published in the Azerbaijan Newspaper, No. 213, Azar 1329 (Iranian chronology), p.224, in LACE>BakuLACE>, The Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan. This is cited by LACE>Jalal Matini, AzerbaijanLACE> Koja Ast? [Where is LACE>AzerbaijanLACE>?]. Iranshenasi, Volume I, No.3, 1989b, p.458. >>

Note photo below of Mr. Pishevari inBaku with the Soviet sponsored Azerbaijan Newspaper

why does he call stalin father?

 



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Iran would not allow such a thing to happen. It's already concerned about Arab regions of the country and the lesson of the Ottoman Empire is not lost on anyone. Outside forces can destroy a country simply by flirting with its minorities.

Although, Iran doesn't exactly have clean hands either. Its actions in Iraq are not at all different from what Azerbaijan might wish to do in Iran.
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I think Iran should fully suppoort the Talyshi Independence Movement of Azarbaijan, the Tatar chauvinists are trying to delete their history and language.  we should help them break free of ruthless tatar chauvinism and oppression!!!

Our brothers are dying in Talyshestan!!!  we must help them retake and restore the name and proud history of their land.

How does that sound? 

You have your tinpot republic, you should be happy, I don't think you should try to cause trouble in Iran or it may come right back to your door as it did in the early 90s, just ask Aliyev.

happy Norooz in one month by the way...

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"Wrong, Iran is under joint Azeri and Persian rule and has been for 800 years.  Iran's Intelligence service, the one that persecutes you is dominated by Azaris, Iran's head of state is Azari, Iran's Empress is Azari.  You should really learn some facts here."

Ok. If you confirming that Iran under Azeri and Pars was ruled during last 800 years ( for more clarity. during last 650 years there was only one pars government during 60 years of Pexlevi period), so it  means that Iran is not pars country, it is azeri-turkish country???? ..So, azeri should became a dominant nation in Iran???? There are 40% of Iran's population are turks and in comparison with kurds, azeries were always very active part of population. Does tens od millions azeri turks in Iran right to educate their children in azeri language?...Does these people has any rights to produce and read newspapers and magasines in azeri?...Does they have an opportunity to see TV channels in azeri?..Does they have any chance to visit azeri theathre in Tebriz?..does thay have rights to express their desiry to have more close contacts with their relatives in North??

my answer is NO. what's why the majority of young people wants to be free and unified with their  brothers in North.

 

"Your kind are the chauvinists (you should learn to spell to if you are going to spread lies). "

Sorry for my english. It is not my first language. In actual fakt it is only fourth)))

Sorry again for any mistake.

 

Name of the country.

I am talking about nation,and not name of the country. Iran used to be Persia and pars used to be totaly different nation in compare with present muslim pars population. So what???

"That is half true.  Arran was a Part of the empire long before the Safavids, You have many Sassanid relics in Arran/Rep of Azerbaijan."

Thanks for accepting at least half of my story)))

It is not right, because present north Azerbaijan was turk Atabeg state, turk Eldegiz state, turk Shirvan state before Sefevid empire. And all these states were independent but were attacked by Iran or Ottoman periodicly.

"Qajars were Turkmen from East of Iran, not Azarbaijan, thy are the idiots who lost Arran to the Russians, it is their fault Arran became separated.  Safavids were much greater."

Really????...so I am turkmen???)))) Qajar were azeri-turk dinasty and they roots coming from north Azerbaijan city Gyandzha. They were rulers of all Azerbaijan khanats in north as well as whole Iran in south. And it is not their fault why they lost war with russians. Russia was much more stronger empire at that moment.

Any way either Qajar or Safavids were great turkish dinastys.

 

"Pishevari was a Russian stooge and Khiyabani did not want secession from Iran, he even changed the name of Iranian Azerbaijan to Azadestan because the Russians changed the name of Arran to Azerbaijan."

Pishevari was a great son of Azerbaijan nation. He and his collegue in soviet Azerbaijan Mir Jafar Bagirov were great patriots of Azerbaijan land. They both wanted unified two part of the nation,and of course at that moment under sovier rejime,because soviet union was much more stronger country than Iran and in soviet union Azerbaijan people could speak, educate, sing, read on their native azeri language. The culture of azerbaijan nation was developed in soviet time and what's why it was much better to have south azeries under soviet umbrella rather than poor and outdated pars pexlevi rejime.

"It is interesting that when the army retook Tabriz ther ewas no guerilla war or anything launched by discontented Azaris."

What army???...persian army)))))..there was not such thing like persian armya at that moment. Iran was depended on soviet and british soldiers.

But after Stalin decided to not continue help azeries in Iran and he started took soviet troops out of south Azerbaijan, more that 200,000 azeries followed them and moved to Baku.

 

"Letter to Stalin from Pishevari:"

First of all it was letter to Mir Jafar Bagirov and not to Stalin.

Mir Jaffar Bagirov was a lider of soviet Azerbaijan and he was the main person who argued with Stalin about soviet help to azeri rebelions in Iran. Stalin didn't want to have big Azerbaijan because he was a georgian and he was afraid that if both azerbaijan unified so it will be thread to georgians and armenians and also give an opportunity to have a long land border between Turkey and Azerbaijan.

"why does he call stalin father?"

Not Stalin. He called brother Mir Jaffar Bagirov. Read yours attachement more carefully)))

We turks always calling each other brothers. So I don't see anything wrong here))

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"How does that sound? "

sounds very bad actually. But the iranian government already doing such things against Azerbaijan state. The "independence" of talish region was announced in 1993,after hundread of thousands dollars help from Iran. But Aliev sent army and whole structure of this "puppit" pars creature was destroyed and liders were arrested. Same will happened again if your mullas decide to do anything esle to destroy our motherland.

 

"You have your tinpot republic, you should be happy, I don't think you should try to cause trouble in Iran or it may come right back to your door as it did in the early 90s, just ask Aliyev."

We are almoust happy my brother. We will fully happy when our brothers in Iran would be liberated from pars rejime.

We don't want cause any trouble to pars people believe me. I have a lot of simphathy to pars and persian civilization. But I have a lot of problems with pars chouvinizm and arragance. I still can't understand how pars can be so arragant if their country was ruled by azeri-turks during last 800 years with a small breaks?)))))

Azeris played a significant role in almoust everything what Iran achieved in politics, history, literature, art, paintings, architecture during number of hundread years. And they even don't have an opportunity to read news in their native language.

"happy Norooz in one month by the way..."

Happy Novruz to you and your family as well.

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Most want independence?  what is your source for that?  Some of the most ardent Iranian nationalists are Azaries and they think that Arran should be reunited with Iran.  Like I said Azaries are at every level of Iranian society, there are and have been (even during Pahlavi's regime) Azaries in government. 

Read this article by an Iranian Azari, he has researched the issue of Azaries INSIDE Iran, in Ardabil, East and West Azarbaijan.

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/culture/articles/eav04 1503.shtml

While Iranian Azeris may seek greater cultural rights, few Iranian Azeris display separatist tendencies, or go as far as Chehregani does in predicting ethnic-inspired unrest. Extensive reporting by this author in the three major Azerbaijani provinces of Iran, as well as among Iranian Azeris in Tehran, found that irredentist or unificationist sentiment was not widely held among Iranian Azeris. Few people framed their genuine political, social and economic frustration feelings that are shared by the majority of Iranians within an ethnic context.

According to Dr. Hassan Javadi a Tabriz-born, Cambridge-educated scholar of Azerbaijani literature and professor of Persian, Azerbaijani and English literature at George Washington University Iranian Azeris have more important matters on their mind than cultural rights. "Irans Azeri community, like the rest of the country, is engaged in the movement for reform and democracy," Javadi told the Central Asia Caucasus Institute crowd, adding that separatist groups represent "fringe thinking." He also told EurasiaNet: "I get no sense that these cultural issues outweigh national ones, nor do I have any sense that there is widespread talk of secession."

Iranian Azeris much like Persians, Kurds, Baluchis or any other ethnic group have expressed frustration with the current political gridlock, the countrys economic malaise and lack of political freedom. Indeed, Iranian Azeris have played a key role in Iranian nationalist freedom movements throughout the twentieth century. Today, the Azeri city of Tabriz is widely acknowledged as the host of the most active and progressive student democracy movement outside of Tehran, carrying on a long tradition of Tabriz-Tehran nationalist-democratic opposition dating back to Irans 1905-11 Constitutional Revolution.

Iranian Azaris class themselves by majority as Iranian and have fought for and spilled hteir blood in defending the nation and will do so in the future should the need arise.

Ottomans and Russians have tried to dismember Iran but failed to do so because Iran's Azaries do not want separation, America and Israel will also fail.  They and people who think like them have no idea about the actual ethnic situation in Iran, all of their information comes from extremist separatists who have totally exaggerated and left reality int eh process.

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My mother is azeri, and i know Azeri people very well.  Azeri people don't want to unify with nobody, they are Iranians and will stay Iranians too. I know for sure there are only a handfull communists trying since many years to separate Azerbayjan.

Btw there are no south and north Azerbayjan, there is only one Azerbayjan and it is an Iranian province. The absolutly false term "north and south" related to Azerbayjan is thanks to stalinists communists.

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It is very ridicolous, many separatists suffer under "Fars-paranoia" (Fars=persian). They think everyone in Iran who is not Azeri must be strictly a Fars. So they divide Iran into 2 zones: 1-Azeri people 2-the rest of Iran and they are all Fars.

As i was talking in a chat by Paltalk about azerbayjan probleme, there were some separatists who called me "you Fars bastard", i said them i am not Fras at all, i am a mix of kurd and Azeri, but they keep calling me Fars

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 15:12
I know, it is the same with the supposed Arab separatists... the "separatists" co-ordinate with each other in london and call anyone who is for Iran "Farse Sag", and come up with dubiously similar propaganda even though they are told otherwise.  They are either stooges or missing a few brain cells.
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Do the parsee see azeris as their equals in racial terms?
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Thanks allempires, we see the same scenario of separatists in all around world. 
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There is no hierarchy nor difference in race. In the vast majority of cases, the only way u can tell the difference is what people call themselves.  because of the long presence of Turks in iran, even many Persians will display features that would be classed as "Torki", such as almond like eyes or wide cheekbones. 

Iran's supreme leader Khamene'i is Azari as are much of the ruling elite, they have tremendoud influecence and power in Iran, joining a little country like Azerbaijan would be like going ten steps down.

Besides, the family connection between the so called "races" are such that any separation would be very complicated at  best. My cousin married an Azari two years ago - my dad is Kurdish, my mum is Persian.  People who dream of iran separating will never realise it, the only place that is even remotely in danger of doing so are Sorani Kurds of Kordestan province.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 15:45

Why nobody answered to my question about news, mewspapers,education, theatre, books on azeri??????

Why pars chouvinists afraid to give equal rights to azeriturkish language at least in south Azerbaijan????

Why Tehran's government durign 15 years refused to open Azerbaijan consulate in Tebriz????

Why it took 15 years to have permission for openning direct flight between Baku and Tebriz????

Why you all not refresh your mind and just remember what happened in 1988, when border between USSR and Iran was clashed by azeries from both sides.

 

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"who called me "you Fars bastard", "

Shame on such people who said this to you. As I said, I respect persian people and their civilisation. They made a great contribution to the world history.

At the same time I am proud for my own nation and I against some of pars chouvinists who denied contribution of azeri nation to development and improvement of Iran and of course Azerbaijan.

I am against the discremenation against azeri language, history and culture in Iran.

I am against the outdated and criminal islamic rejime in Iran which destroyed everything good you had in your country.

And I am of course agaisnt some old age azeries who become a liders in clerical Iran and use Islam as a weapon against their own native people.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 15:57
Originally posted by Zagros

There is no hierarchy nor difference in race. In the vast majority of cases, the only way u can tell the difference is what people call themselves.  because of the long presence of Turks in Iran, even many Persians will display features that would be classed as "Torki", such as almond like eyes or wide cheekbones. 

Iran's supreme leader Khamene'i is Azari as are much of the ruling elite, they have tremendoud influecence and power in Iran, joining a little country like Azerbaijan would be like going ten steps down.

Besides, the family connection between the so called "races" are such that any separation would be very complicated at  best. My cousin married an Azari two years ago - my dad is Kurdish, my mum is Persian.  People who dream of Iran separating will never realise it, the only place that is even remotely in danger of doing so are Sorani Kurds of Kordestan province.

Thanks for the insight, but i mean azeri, kurd, parsee, etc are distinct identities are they not? and is self identification not patriarchal?

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"My mother is azeri,"

Do you speak azeri language?????

What do you know about culture and history of your mothers' nation?

Do you feel yourself half azeri-turk?

Do you feel any pain when your nation in North suffered from the war with armenians? Any pain about 1 million of azeri refugees?any pain about 60,000 killed azeri people in North by armenians and russians???

If you declare yourself half azeri and you think that you know many azeri people ,what is going to be your answeres?

The people I know from Tebriz, they not only know about all of this but also helped refugees ,they made a protests in Tebriz university against Tehran's politic with Armenia. I can say that these people are azeries.

About you????..i don tknow.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 16:07

What you excpect from Azerbaijan Republic and azerbaijan nations, if muslim Iran became a most closer alliance for Armenia, which is an enemy of Azerbaijan.

Iran helped Armenia to survive and tokeep their occupation of azerbaijan land.

Iran make a joint agreements with armenians to build new factories in OCCUPIED AZERBAIJAN LANDS.

And you expect something different????

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