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    Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 14:50
I don't think mullahs treat Azeris any different than they treat other citizens.I've met quite a few Iranian Azeris, none of them seemed to make a fuss about it so far, at least the ones I've met.They are the citizens of Iran, simple as that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 14:53
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@Qajar: How old are you??
your answers are childish fallacy

Shah Esma'il's court having adopted Persian as official language and much of Persian culture the Safavids were mistakenly thought by outsiders to be Persian, but they were truly Iranian with a unifying spirit. To help organize the state the Safavids used Persian bureaucrats with a tradition in administration and tax collecting, and they tried to create a religious unity. Shah Esma'il described himself as a descendant, on their father's side, of the Prophet Mohammad and claimed to have royal Sassanian blood as well. Shi'ism became the state religion, Esma'il ignored the Sunni branch of Islam and tried to force people to become Shi'a, which was a difficult task with a variety of tribes and less than complete authority.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 15:13

Ottomans and Russians have tried to dismember Iran but failed to do so because Iran's Azaries do not want separation, America and Israel will also fail.

That's because Iran is more likely a religious, theocratic society, not national. So a nation based state in Iran would definately fail. That's why most Azeris don't think as seperatists, because they think they are an ummat with other Shias. Religion is still the main combiner force between different ethnic groups in Iran, not nationalism. But if, nationalism spreads through Iran and rises to power, stronger than religionism (such as it became in the west, in late Ottoman period and Turkey), Iran would be Balkanised, just like Ottoman Empire was in Middle East when most population was Muslim.

When they wrote letters to the Ottomans they signed them "ShahanShah of Iran", the shadow of god on earth

It was from the reign of Abbas to Nadir Shah. Before Shah Abbas, Safavids definately had a Turkish identity.

  a joint persian and british army defeated an turkish army during WWI.

I think you mean the Turko-Persian war of 1821-1823, concluded with the Treaty of Erzurum, when the previous borders were kept the same.

And I should say that Ottomans were dominant against Safavids since the battle of Chaldiran, both in cultural/religious way and power. If they weren't, most of Middle East and Turkey would have been Shia's and Alevis today. I am not comparing Turkis or Persian influences or dominiance as nations but as the backgrounds of the Ottoman and Safavid statas (Persia-Turkey to the west).

Azerbaijan in its history as a region, have never been part of the Anatolian statehood (Byzanthine Empire), but part of Iranian statehood (Sassanid Empire). So as Mesopotamia. If you compare Syrian or Lebanese culture, architecture etc. with Turkey, you'll find total similarity, inherited from Byzanthine Empire to Ottoman Empire, just like the Balkans or Egypt. But if you compare Iraqi, or Azeri culture, architecture etc. with Turkey, it is much more similar to Iran, inherited by Sassanids and so on.

 

DayI, I believe they called themselves Padeshah (?) which is almost the same though - my point was that the operative word was Persia (Iran).

Ottoman sultans used to call themselves sultan, khan, caesar, padishah, and so on. Same for Safavid shahs.

If They want to separate then let them, it's their choice not yours to make.

No. Iranian government is the one to decide that. And seperation brings nothing but failure. Power comes after unity, can you explain what has seperation brought to any Middle Eastern nation except poverty, conflicts and lack of power union? What did it bring to Balkans other than bloodshed and chaos?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 15:56

Hi all.

The Sefevids are azeri-turkish dinasty and I don't think that any of you disagree with this fakt. In the later stage of Sefevids raine, they of began called themselvs persian shahs,because it was for their interests to show the continuation of 3,000 years of power. But the name of emperie was Sefevids Emperi - so the country was named after azeri-turk family name. As I said before, the Shah itself, royal family, royal forces, aristocracy and art all were consists of mostly azeries. If you talking about persian language, so yes it was an official language but not only in Persia, it was a language of aristocracy and literature in many eastern countires, like for example french was a language of aristocracy,royal family and literature in Russia in 18th and 19th centuries. If you ever read the great russian writer Tolstoy, you must know that his famous "War and Piece" was written in french and mojority of the letters in this book was also in french because it was a language of russian aristocracy at that time. Does it means that Russia was a french state???))....I don't think so.

But like it was mentioned before,Shah Ismal Hatai was a writer as well and all his poems he wrote in azeri-turk language.

As for religion aspect of Safavids emperi, I have my own thoughts on this issue. It was a purely political issue and especialy implemented by Shah Ismail in order to strength his position as a muslim world ruler in his competition with Ottoman Sultan. What's why he declared shias direction as a true faith. We can compare this situation with what happened here in England during Henry XIII reign. He also wanted to be independent of Pope and make his independant decisions in all areas, what's why he declared separation of England church from Pope.

In any way, the competition between Ottoman Sultan and Ismail Shah was a competition between two turkish leaders and not between turk and persian. The Sefevids armya elite was consist of kizilbash tribes and they were azeri-turks. So it was sad time for turks but at the same time it was great competition between turks.

 

Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 16:34

"irans cultural, scientific, and historical contributions to mankind,  independent azerbaijan has done nothing."

As I mentioned before, we azeries had a very difficult history. Unfortunately during last 500 years we were split between Russia and Persia. But despite this, azerbaijani nation produced hundreads of famous writers, poets, composers, film makers and others. The first european style demokratik republic was announced in Azerbaijan in 1918 after Russian emperi collapsed- Azerbaijan Demokratic Republic  declared by Mammam Emin Razulzadeh. Azeri mugam culture is one of the best in the world. The first european style opera in muslim world "Leyla & Mejnun" was produced in Azerbaijan in 1908 by famous composer Uzeir Gadzhibekov, the first balley was produced in Azerbaijan and many others culturel/art pieces. Our carpets industry is one of the famous in the world, and in Iran almoust all carpets produced in Azerbaijan.

I am not even talking about azeri influence in Iran and what my nation contributed to glorify your state.

And how you can say that we done nothing????  It is selfish. I will never say that persians had do nothing during their history and I always try to be correct in my statements.

 

"todays iran,  with sanctions, with the political situation, with the lack of investment, with all the hardships, and the lack of cooperation, makes its own planes, ships, satellites, missiles, cars, industrial equipment, military equipment, and commercial products.  Iran is has become self sufficient in food, iran has brought plumbing, electricity, and road (and soon even internet connection) to almost every village in the country! "

In your dreams.))))....Todays Iran is a isolated country with wild President, and unfortunately it is became appear that your rejime is became more and more dangerous to the rest of the world. Your country provide support to islamic terrorists all over the world. You are not supporting palestains, you support Xamas which is one of the most terrible terrorist organisation in the world.  

 

"so you cannot claim Iran, Iranian land, nor Iranian history."

I never claimed Iran. I just said that at aleast 800 years of iranian history should be shared with azerbaijani nation, because azerbaijani not only played significant role there, but also build and ruled this country for  hundreads of years.

 

"one day azerbaijan will be united, under irans flag."

You wish)))))..I think nowdays you need more be concern regarding future of your own country,bare in mind the latest development in nuclear story))))

But I am sure it would be surpise for you, but I totaly against american attak on Iran. And you know why???..Not because I like mullahs, but because I think that ordinary iranians and deserved to be bombed and there are a hundred thousands of children, women and old people. All of them are good humans and they deserve much better treatment and life. And one more thing, for your information: Azerbaijan President offically declared that Azerbaijan WILL NOT give permission to americans for use it's land. He said, that people of Iran are our brothers and we will not compromise on this issue.

And all of this is after Iran continue helping Armenia to occupate azeri land. Shame on your government.

Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 16:42
Nothing but nationalism will destroy Iran when Persian(Aryans LOL) decide to be elitist Persians and turks look to their own. Nationalism is a destructive tool rather than a constructive one. Whether it be on a tribal, linguistic or religious basis.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:19

You didn't answer to my questions
but the last one is more important, How old are you???

1. please enlight me, you have problem with which group Persian or Iranian?? every time you attack each of them, I'm sure you can recongonize deffernces among them

2. Would you recongonize differences among Offical language & Literature & aristocracy language???
Was "War & Peace" Code of law in Russia??

3.in my history book, Safavi empire name back to name of Sheikh Safi the Grand father of Shah Esmaeil (same for Achaemenid, Sassanid,...or Pahlavi), It's intellectual, but if you mean that we must expect it to be Republic of Azarbaiejan Empire, NO, Wrong

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:36
the state of azerbaijan is an invention of russia. This piece of evidence shows that even russia recognised it as iranian land, even though they had control of it.

Prior to the invention of the name Azerbaijan to designate Aran and Shirvan, Tzarist Russian sources recognized only one Azarbaijan, the true Azarbaijan. The first volume of the Russian Encyclopedia (pages 212 and 213), which was published in St. Petersburg some 102 years ago (in 1890), stated: "Azarbaijan, which was 'Aturpatekan' in Pahlavi and 'Azarbadekan' in Armenian, is the rich industrial northern province of Iran. It borders Iranian Kurdistan and Iraq of Adjam to the south, Turkish Kurdistan and Armenia to the west, Russian Armenia and the Southern Caucasus to the north. Its border is marked by the Aras River". Had the name Azerbaijan been used for the land to the north of the Aras, undoubtedly, this encyclopedia would have used the name "Russian Azerbaijan" just as it had used the designations "Turkish Kurdistan", "Iranian Kurdistan", "Turkish Armenia", or "Russian Armenia". It can easily be seen that only one Azarbaijan existed and that was the Iranian Azarbaijan.

Following the Bolshevik Revolution and the ensuing turmoil in the Russian empire, Turkish politicians of the time became intent on establishing a puppet state in the Caucasus. In 1911, a party named "Mossavat" (Equality) was founded in Baku, which was supported by the Ottoman Turks. It held a joint congress with Turkey's Party of Federalists in 1917. In this congress, the two parties united and called themselves the "Democratic Party of Turkish Mossavat Federalists". Their goal was to unite Turkish-speaking people under the umbrella of Turkey.

The Mossavatis set up a government on 27 May 1918, and called the area the "Azerbaijan Republic". Their capital initially was Gandjeh, but after the occupation of Baku by the Turkish army under the command of Noori Pasha on 15 September 1918, the capital was transferred to Baku and their government was consolidated through the support of the Turkish army. They ruled Aran and Shirvan, calling these areas collectively as the Azerbaijan Republic for two years. This situation continued until 28 April 1920, at which date the Bolsheviks attacked Baku and declared the area as a Soviet republic. The Soviets persisted in using the invented name, calling this territory the "Soviet Socialist Republic of Azerbaijan".

azerbaijan has never been a nation. azeri's have always considered themselves as iranian.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:37
Originally posted by Bashibozuk

  a joint persian and british army defeated an turkish army during WWI.

I think you mean the Turko-Persian war of 1821-1823, concluded with the Treaty of Erzurum, when the previous borders were kept the same.

And I should say that Ottomans were dominant against Safavids since the battle of Chaldiran, both in cultural/religious way and power. If they weren't, most of Middle East and Turkey would have been Shia's and Alevis today. I am not comparing Turkis or Persian influences or dominiance as nations but as the backgrounds of the Ottoman and Safavid statas (Persia-Turkey to the west).

Azerbaijan in its history as a region, have never been part of the Anatolian statehood (Byzanthine Empire), but part of Iranian statehood (Sassanid Empire). So as Mesopotamia. If you compare Syrian or Lebanese culture, architecture etc. with Turkey, you'll find total similarity, inherited from Byzanthine Empire to Ottoman Empire, just like the Balkans or Egypt. But if you compare Iraqi, or Azeri culture, architecture etc. with Turkey, it is much more similar to Iran, inherited by Sassanids and so on.

no, during WW one, a joint Persian and British army defeated a Turkish army which had invaded Iran.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:40
Originally posted by Qajar

"irans cultural, scientific, and historical contributions to mankind,  independent azerbaijan has done nothing."

As I mentioned before, we azeries had a very difficult history. Unfortunately during last 500 years we were split between Russia and Persia. But despite this, azerbaijani nation produced hundreads of famous writers, poets, composers, film makers and others. The first european style demokratik republic was announced in Azerbaijan in 1918 after Russian emperi collapsed- Azerbaijan Demokratic Republic  declared by Mammam Emin Razulzadeh. Azeri mugam culture is one of the best in the world. The first european style opera in muslim world "Leyla & Mejnun" was produced in Azerbaijan in 1908 by famous composer Uzeir Gadzhibekov, the first balley was produced in Azerbaijan and many others culturel/art pieces. Our carpets industry is one of the famous in the world, and in Iran almoust all carpets produced in Azerbaijan.

I am not even talking about azeri influence in Iran and what my nation contributed to glorify your state.

And how you can say that we done nothing????  It is selfish. I will never say that persians had do nothing during their history and I always try to be correct in my statements.

 

"todays iran,  with sanctions, with the political situation, with the lack of investment, with all the hardships, and the lack of cooperation, makes its own planes, ships, satellites, missiles, cars, industrial equipment, military equipment, and commercial products.  Iran is has become self sufficient in food, iran has brought plumbing, electricity, and road (and soon even internet connection) to almost every village in the country! "

In your dreams.))))....Todays Iran is a isolated country with wild President, and unfortunately it is became appear that your rejime is became more and more dangerous to the rest of the world. Your country provide support to islamic terrorists all over the world. You are not supporting palestains, you support Xamas which is one of the most terrible terrorist organisation in the world.  

 

"so you cannot claim Iran, Iranian land, nor Iranian history."

I never claimed Iran. I just said that at aleast 800 years of iranian history should be shared with azerbaijani nation, because azerbaijani not only played significant role there, but also build and ruled this country for  hundreads of years.

 

"one day azerbaijan will be united, under irans flag."

You wish)))))..I think nowdays you need more be concern regarding future of your own country,bare in mind the latest development in nuclear story))))

But I am sure it would be surpise for you, but I totaly against american attak on Iran. And you know why???..Not because I like mullahs, but because I think that ordinary iranians and deserved to be bombed and there are a hundred thousands of children, women and old people. All of them are good humans and they deserve much better treatment and life. And one more thing, for your information: Azerbaijan President offically declared that Azerbaijan WILL NOT give permission to americans for use it's land. He said, that people of Iran are our brothers and we will not compromise on this issue.

And all of this is after Iran continue helping Armenia to occupate azeri land. Shame on your government.

you dont have a nation! your nation is Iran, and you will be a part of Iran again.

give me one piece of evidence in all of history in which there was ever an azerbaijan. you cannot provide this evidence because azerbaijan as a nation does not exist.

even russia recognised azerbaijan as Iranian.  Azerbaijan is Iranian, and will always be Iranian, and one day it will be reunified under the Iranian flag.

and Azerbaijan has always been a part of Iran until russia took it by force!

you do not have an argument. you provide no sources, no facts, you just talk and talk and talk.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:42

(one day azerbaijan will be united, under irans flag)

u dream on

Azerbaijanis are a Turkic people numbering ca. 30 million worldwide. The majority, around 16-23 million (estimates vary) [3] [4], live in Iran. The rest, around 8 million, live in the Republic of Azerbaijan. There are also sizeable communities in Turkey, Georgia, Russia, USA, Canada, and Germany. The overwhelming majority are Shi'a Muslims

 

 

 

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Originally posted by malizai_

Nothing but nationalism will destroy Iran when Persian(Aryans LOL) decide to be elitist Persians and turks look to their own. Nationalism is a destructive tool rather than a constructive one. Whether it be on a tribal, linguistic or religious basis.

persians are tolerant people. like its been pointed out before, iran is not only the land for persians, infact, non persians have ruled for a thousand years and persian are ok with that. we are all iranians. there is no persian nationalism, there is only Iranian nationalism.

unlike turkey were turks think they are superior beings than the kurds and armenians, and have continually oppressed and killed them. Iranians are lilke you turks, we are all Iranian, unlike turkey, were only turks are turkish.

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(one day azerbaijan will be united, under irans flag)

u dream on

Azerbaijanis are a Turkic people numbering ca. 30 million worldwide. The majority, around 16-23 million (estimates vary) [3] [4], live in Iran. The rest, around 8 million, live in the Republic of Azerbaijan. There are also sizeable communities in Turkey, Georgia, Russia, USA, Canada, and Germany. The overwhelming majority are Shi'a Muslims

 

 

 

could you please tell me why the kurds of turkey fought for decades for independence from turkey, yet the kurds, azeri's, balouchi's, etc... of iran in the past 70 years have never raised arms against Iran. it is because Iran is a tolerant country of all nationalities and ethnicities. unlike turkic nations.

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every iranian dynasty considered themselves iranian, no matter what ethnicity they were. they always kept the name Persia internationally, encouraged Persian culture, language, and religion, and always refered to themselves as Shah's of Iran.

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(you dont have a nation! your nation is Iran, and you will be a part of Iran again.

give me one piece of evidence in all of history in which there was ever an azerbaijan. you cannot provide this evidence because azerbaijan as a nation does not exist.

even russia recognised azerbaijan as Iranian.  Azerbaijan is Iranian, and will always be Iranian, and one day it will be reunified under the Iranian flag.

and Azerbaijan has always been a part of Iran until russia took it by force!

you do not have an argument. you provide no sources, no facts, you just talk and talk and talk.)

dream on sweety dream

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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you are funny

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yeah very democratic iran

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Action Memorandum 08

March 3, 1996


 

Repression and killings in Iranian Balouchistan

 

The Foundation for Democracy is preoccupied by reports emanating from Iranian Balouchistan of a wave of arrests and killings in recent weeks, that appear to be aimed at Sunni Moslem clerics and religious institutions in Eastern Iran.

On March 4, Molavi Abdul Malek Mollahzadeh, a Sunni cleric in Iran, was murdered as he was leaving his house in Pakistan, family members said. Molavi Abdul Malek's movements in Pakistan were being monitored by agents of the Islamic Republic because he was a well-known opponent of the regime involved in organizing the Balouchi community, family members alleged. The son of Molavi Abdulaziz, the most prominent Sunni cleric in Iran, Molavi Abdulmalek was killed along with an associate, Jamshid Zahi, by two gunmen in a taxi.

This is the fifth alleged killing of a Sunni Muslim cleric by Iranian government agents since 1994. The Foundation reported on some of the earlier killings on Feb. 15, 1996 [AM 007, "Disappearance and alleged execution of Molavi Ahmad Sayyad."]

These latest killings appear part of a systematic crackdown by the Iranian authorities against ethnic Balouchis and against the Sunni Muslim minority in Iran.

In Mashad, Iran's most prestigious religious center after Qom, government security agents broke into the Salehabad Sunni Muslim seminary in late February, arresting faculty members and sending many of the students to military service, family members of those arrested reported. Under the Islamic Republic's constitution, it is illegal for the state to oblige seminary students to do their military service. Among those arrested was the head of the school, Mr. Mosavi Mohialdin, who was forcibly defrocked by the authorities.

Another Sunni cleric and high school teacher, Molavi Abdulrahman Alahverdi, was arrested by the authorities in late February in the Balouchi town of Saravan, sources in the region reported. So far, his fate remains unknown. The Foundation for Democracy in Iran will publish additional details on these events as they become available.

Ethnic cleansing?

The Foundation is concerned by reports that the Iranian government has been forcibly relocating Balouchi citizens to remote desert areas, while systematically encouraging non-Balouchis to take their place by giving them incentives such as free land, cheap housing, no-interest loans, and government jobs. Such policies amount to ethnic cleansing by another name.

Over the past two years, the ethnic balances in major Balouchi cities such as Zahedan, Iranshahr, Chabahar, and Khash has become non-Balouchi because of these government policies. In the Iranshahr area, tens of thousands of Balouchis have been forcibly relocated from fertile farming areas to desert communities in Rashkoh, Naygon, Mnzran, and Daman. In the Sarbaz areas, Balouchis have been relocated to Gornagan, Hamnat, and Sarkor. In the region around Khash, the desert relocation site is known as Erandegan. When villagers refuse to comply with evacuation orders, they face armed attack. In May 1995, for instance, Iranian Revolutionary Guards troops attacked the village of Sovrdar of Zardkoh (40 kilometers outside Iranshahr) after villagers refused to evacuate their homes and relocate to a desert community.

This policy of forced relocation appears to have begun in 1994, after the February riots in Zahedan, the capital of Iranian Balouchistan, when local residents protested the destruction of a Sunni Muslim mosque in Mashad. At least fifty people were wounded when Revolutionary Guards troops fired into the crowd in Zahedan's Maki mosque. In another instance, Balouchi sources say that in December 1994 Iranian Army helicopters fired rockets into the village of Maraverti, killing 100 villagers. Another 200 villagers were either wounded or arrested in the attack. Those arrested were transferred to prisons in Kerman, Zahedan, and to Tehran's infamous Evin prison.

Many Balouchis who have protested the forced relocations have been arrested and accused as drug smugglers or foreign agents, Balouchi sources claim. Some have been executed under these false charges. As the Foundation has noted in previous communiqus, the Iranian authorities appear to be using ethnic differences, "banditry" and "smuggling" as pretexts for a brutal crackdown on potential opponents to the regime. Similarly, the Foundation is concerned that the authorities are seeking to excite ethnic violence between Sunnis and Shiite Muslims in the region.

The Foundation has written to the leader of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamene'i, President Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, the Ministries of Justice, Interior, and Foreign Affairs, and has sent an inquiry to Iran's Permanent Mission to the United Nations in New York, requesting that the Government of Iran authorize a delegation from the Foundation and from other human rights organizations to visit Iranian Balouchistan to investigate these allegations.

The Foundation has also requested specific information on the alleged March 4, 1996 murders of Molavi Abdul Malek and Jamshid Zahi; the Feb. 2, 1996 disappearance and subsequent death of Molavi Ahmad Sayyad; the disappearance in Saravan village of Molavi Abdulrahman Alahverdi in early February; and the late February attack on the Salehabad Sunni Muslim seminary in Mashad.

The Foundation calls on the Hon. Maurice Copithorne, Special Representative for Iran of the United Nations Human Rights Commission, to investigate these allegations and, more generally, the human rights situation of Balouchi and Sunni Muslim citizens of Iran.

 

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you dont have a nation! your nation is Iran, and you will be a part of Iran again.

give me one piece of evidence in all of history in which there was ever an azerbaijan. you cannot provide this evidence because azerbaijan as a nation does not exist.

even russia recognised azerbaijan as Iranian.  Azerbaijan is Iranian, and will always be Iranian, and one day it will be reunified under the Iranian flag.

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Your country will be destroyed. Your are insufficiant nation, you lost everything and if there were not azeri-turks in Sefevids, Qajars,kizilbashs your country probably finished it's existancy long time ago. And now days, you can compare level of development, culture, ecanomy, army between Iran and Turkey???))))))

Azerbaijan is small country, but we have Mother-Turkey, which is one of the greatest nation in the world. And all achievements of Turkey are also our achievements, because we are turks. For hundread years, russian and pars tried to disconnect azeri-turks from theri turkish roots, but finnaly we did it. Do you knwo that during Stalin's rejime about 120,000 azeries were sent to Siberia and died there, only because they said that relationships between Turkey and Azerbaijan should be more closer, because we-azeries want to be with our brothers in Anatolia.

But Iran is a dead country. And after Islamic rejime collapsed, the national movement will be much more stronger in your country and I can only guess what 20 million of azeries will do then)))

Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.

Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Nothing but nationalism will destroy Iran when Persian(Aryans LOL) decide to be elitist Persians and turks look to their own. Nationalism is a destructive tool rather than a constructive one. Whether it be on a tribal, linguistic or religious basis.

persians are tolerant people. like its been pointed out before, iran is not only the land for persians, infact, non persians have ruled for a thousand years and persian are ok with that. we are all iranians. there is no persian nationalism, there is only Iranian nationalism.

unlike turkey were turks think they are superior beings than the kurds and armenians, and have continually oppressed and killed them. Iranians are lilke you turks, we are all Iranian, unlike turkey, were only turks are turkish.

Well if Iranian nationalism is not a problem for people within Iran, then there is no problem.Look out for the Americans tthough!!

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