Turkish Professor: Muslims Discovered Ame

I'm dropping this thread also.

 

 

Pinguin

 

Had you bothered to read the whole thread you would have seen that pinguin, if guilty of any bias, actually has one praising thr remarkable achievements of the native americans. As for the other ones on this site, and the people who write articles for the Hall of Maat, they don't simply deny the fact that Africans could have gotten to the Americas, but also the various "white people" which have been rumored to do so as well: Egyptians, Phoenicians, Romans, Irish, Welsh, Basques, etc. So drop the whole "you're all racist" stuff. It's not about being racist, it's about being skeptical until sufficient evidence is presented.

 

Ikki, I did hear the story of the Mali king: he built a fleet to cross the Atlantic ocean, but that fleet was never heard of again. Nice story, but I suspect that the fleet drowned instead of reaching the Americas.

 

 

But those are STORIES not history.

 

Afrocentric mythologies about great explorers of the past are not more than myth, for now at least. There is not a single evidence they reached the Americas. Even if the Mali's expeditions didn't sunk in the XIV century, those events were TOO LATE to influence the development of the Americas. Moreover, North West Africans didn't have any navigation experience at all before the arrival of the Arabs in the XIII century; in fact, not even the sail was invented there. In West Africa only the canoe was known and with canoes one can't cross the Atlantic.

 

The point is, one should be careful to distinguish stories from history. After all history search facts, or at least it tries to do so.

 

Omr

 

 

 

 

Well, Mali of those times it was under heavy influence from the Arabs and other peoples of the Islamic world, as we can see in the library of Tombuctu; that still exists. Therefore, if Mali had a navy at those times, certainly they would use Arab nautical technology

 

Now, nobody denies Mali could have sent two expeditions into the Ocean, the point is where they were sent. Sailors of those times usually followed the coastal lines, so who say they couldn't end in the Mediterranean sea?of in Ethiopia in East Africa? We should not assume authomatically they were sent across the Atlantic.

 

Actually, I would like to see the sources, because I have found any that describe the mission with precision.

 

Penguin

 

 

 

 

 

In fact, I believe the importance in the Americas in world history come from these facts:

 

(1) The Americas contributed with many foods, drugs and inventions the old world hadn't invented or developed at all.

 

(2) It show scientists how the development of isolated societies works. Theirs developments allow scientists to understand under which circumstancies the tribal people evolve into civilizations and empires.

And what great civilizations were they: Mayans, Incas, Aztecs, Moches, Anazasis, and many more.

 

(3) Show that inventions can be developed in parallel. As they really happened.

 

There is also a sentimental link with Ancient Americans. After all, they were the first people of these lands where I and others 800 million people live. It is impossible to forget them living in these lands.

 

Therefore, I am always upset with the thousands of theories of pre-columbian contact that are based on sand. I wish people really get interested in the past of the Americas, instead. But they are just so few the ones that really care about the civilizations of the Americas.

 

Penguin