The Han

The Chinese identified themselves with whichever dynasty they lived in.  For example, those living in the Song Dynasty called themselves Song Ren (Song = Song Dynasty, Ren = people).  The name China is a relatively modern construct.

Curiously enough, the Han Dynasty called Rome Da Qin, meaing Big Qin.  I think it has to do with the western position of the Roman Empire.  Qin was the western-most state during the Warring States Period; thus, Rome was called Big Qin, a reflection of its power and western locale.   

If I recall correctly, Bacteria was called Da Xia, or Big Xia during the Han.

Han is an ethnic identification, not a national identification.  For example, those of Han ethnicity who lived under the Jin/Jurchen administration during the 12th century were identified as Jin Ren, or People of Jin.  

so since people of East Turkistan dont call them selves hua , song red,da xia .. ect .. why are their homeland is occupied by chinese

Total nonsense. If you are talking about political ruling as a justification for claiming a land, then before Han (very brief though), Hons occupied this region, and ruled for hundreds of years. Tiele is the nephew of Hons. (Check your han chinese sources). Uyghur is one of the Tiele tribes (Again check your own han chinese records). 

can you make the tang map bigger? i am interested in knowing the details of it.

in regard to barbar's post, it is not nonsense. what i mean is han chinese people can claim the land as much as those turkic people can. both ruled the place, and the han ruled it earlier.

i am not denying ur right to claim it, but i do not wish people to think that the turkic people are the only people who can claim it because we have just as much if not even more evidence and historical ties to this piece of land as these turkic people.

but under current circumstances, the turkic people are not strong enough to claim it.

Originally posted by Maju Eastern Turkestan (Xinkiang) was Chinese only for brief periods: Eastern Han (25-220 CE). First period in which Xinkiang is Chinese Tang controlled a vast stretch of Cetral Asia, including Xinkiang, in the 8th century. And Quing would eventually take control of it again since the 17th century. In all these periods, Turkmen were surely dwelling there.

however, the area was already occupied by western han during the 1st century bc under emperor han wudi, and the occupation continued until the end of the eastern han dynasty, and it became under chinese rule again during the tang dynasty (7th century - 10th century), and then under the mongol yuan dynasty, and then finally the qing dynasty that was replaced by the republic in 1911.

Originally posted by Sino Defender Originally posted by Maju Eastern Turkestan (Xinkiang) was Chinese only for brief periods: Eastern Han (25-220 CE). First period in which Xinkiang is Chinese Tang controlled a vast stretch of Cetral Asia, including Xinkiang, in the 8th century. And Quing would eventually take control of it again since the 17th century. In all these periods, Turkmen were surely dwelling there. however, the area was already occupied by western han during the 1st century bc under emperor han wudi, and the occupation continued until the end of the eastern han dynasty, and it became under chinese rule again during the tang dynasty (7th century - 10th century), and then under the mongol yuan dynasty, and then finally the qing dynasty that was replaced by the republic in 1911.

Only after Banchao compain, did han managed to establish its real control over this region, that is 85 AD, and your Han resourses tell us that after the death of Banchao, that is 102 AD , Huns controlled this region again, and Han never managed to retake it.

I'm laughing over your "7th-10th of Tang control".  After Talas battle,  Tang almost lost its power in this region, acutally, Qarluq and Tibet allied to took this region thereafter, and in 791 Uyghurs defeated them, and established the control. Before that time, Tang only had control over this region for two very breif periods, which never exceed 80 years if you sum up. Check your own records.

Manchu didn't have real control over this region (especially in the southern main part) after their defeat of Zhungars. Only in 1877 they managed to control this region, and gave the name Xinjiang ('new  land') in Chinese.

I repeat again, the name China and Chinese is a modern construct.  Do not confuse the Han with the Chinese, as one refers to an ethnic group, and the other a nationality.  One does not need to be Han to be Chinese, nor does one need to be Chinese to be Han. 

I disagree with many Western historians exclusively labeling the Han as Chinese, because empires like the Tang, Song, and Ming were all composed of mulitple ethnic groups.  Like the Roman empire, ancient Chinese empires were multiethnic.

Sino Defender and barbar, please be more considerate of each other and maintain a civil discussion.  Sino Defender, your quote seems too militant.