European Press shows solidarity with threatened Danish cartoonist

Ok seriously now, why is the sensitivity and the head-hardening to understand a simple point. We just want consistancy and justice. Fix your taboos or not taboos at all.

Turning the argument to be "I am requested to shut my mouth from criticism" is just a twist to the truth. Go read Daniel Piple publication, Pat Robertson, Rabbi Yosef Ovadia which all are filled with criticism and sometimes poor taste of reality, and no Muslim rioters went in the streets with anger. Why is that?

I hope the point was delivered better this time.

Originally posted by Maziar Read my post and you will get my point.

No offense, but your post is two lines only and they have been answered  in details. No one at least is raising the point you think you are raising. I wonder why only you, can see it.

I am perhaps a bit impulsive,  but not defensive, not really, you feel a bit discomfort i guess? , i only wanted to show you how people feel if they see their cartoons are offending someone. They don't understand why they act so insulted, the internet is full of Mohammad's cartoons, so why they are protesting in that dimension against cartoons, which in my opinion arn't that great? and why are people hypocrites if they deffence their point of view.

Defending ones right is what this boils down to then. Again we tend to agree with this notion. However, by ridiculing another group of people, this only opens doors to defensive manuevering. Like it or not this is a realitistic response to insults. Provocations and insults tend to be taken seriously. Rational response or not. This is also a reality.

One of the biggest virtues, I think, is the ability to self analyse and self critisize. When this is done then their is good room for personal growth. The problem occurs when someone else does that for or at you instead. Then the vicious blame counterblame game erupts. If the critisizm from another comes with good intentions then their is a better chance of understanding differences and there is more room for healthy analysis. Not when done in poor taste or by bad intentions.

Thanks for the comment Maziar!

Yes, self criticism (I think I spelled it wrong before) is a path towards enlightenment. This helps teach ourselves tolerance and breaks down previously held barriers. Of course this method of growth is beneficial for not only Europeans or Muslims but to anyone interested in understanding themselves better.

From other locked thread:

Maju:

Irrelevant, beef is eaten there, the prophet muhammad is not slandered in cartoon in muslim countries. 

Are you joking? Seriously.

What about the endless depictions of muslims and middle easterners in hollywood, cartoons, etc etc etc

There also, i believe, not a single finger was lifted.

Did you bother reading the next paragraph? If you read everything that someone has to say, you might just find an answer that your looking for so that person doesn't have to repeat themselves...

You said the Danish concept of fairness. In life, nothing is fair, and Democracy shows it. Someone is always ahead, and someone can say what they want in Democracy. YOU CANNOT regulate FAIRNESS in Democracy, you just can't or you'd be taking away Freedoms like Freedom of Speech.

The Government didn't tell them not to print pictures of Jesus, the government didn't tell them to print pictures of Muhammed. It was "One" newspaper company, privately owned might I add, that printed the pics first. They, privately owned company, made the decision not to print pictures of Jesus. Conclusion: Government had no say, couldn't have any say by laws of Freedom of Speech. There is no such law for Fairness, and these a statement done by one company, or even if it was a government doesn't reflect the people's atitude so why make them suffer?

I don't agree with what the newspaper said, I think they were complete idiots for doing that, but I also don't agree with the boycotting of a countries products because of what one private company said that only represents their own opinions.

EDIT: And about the Holocaust, I'm not European and don't know many of their laws. But I think it has to do with Thousands of lives being lost by poison gases, being burned in furnaces, being subject to slave labor, and more then one group being persecuted for what they were. Cartoons of depicted one group of people may not be fair, but know one has died from the people who printed them. Seems only the protestors are killing themselves...

Originally posted by Maju Originally posted by �ok ge� Turning the argument to be "I am requested to shut my mouth from criticism" is just a twist to the truth. Go read Daniel Piple publication, Pat Robertson, Rabbi Yosef Ovadia which all are filled with criticism and sometimes poor taste of reality, and no Muslim rioters went in the streets with anger. Why is that? I don't know: why is that?

Because it is not about "Muslims being insulted" as it is protrayed by the sides here. Otherwise, they would have retaliated for all criticizing articles and insulting comments on the prophet and the islam and the calls for extermination of Muslims in the west.

Your right I didn't. I apologize for that. The reason I did that is just to respond to the discussion between me and you and didn't go on further because your weren't answering me.

I still don't understand why anyone would want to criticize the Holocaust, it wasn't just Jews, and it was a slaughter of a quater of the European population. Why would you want disrespect that many deaths. Everyone here's Holocaust and thinks it was just Jews, but they were Europeans too, it's not about Religion when Europeans want to respect the dead...

Originally posted by Maju Originally posted by �ok ge� Originally posted by Maju Originally posted by �ok ge� Turning the argument to be "I am requested to shut my mouth from criticism" is just a twist to the truth. Go read Daniel Piple publication, Pat Robertson, Rabbi Yosef Ovadia which all are filled with criticism and sometimes poor taste of reality, and no Muslim rioters went in the streets with anger. Why is that? I don't know: why is that? Because it is not about "Muslims being insulted" as it is protrayed by the sides here. Otherwise, they would have retaliated for all criticizing articles and insulting comments on the prophet and the islam and the calls for extermination of Muslims in the west. Then what is it about? I still don't know... Why don't you just give a direct affirmative answer instead of making rethoric questions and negative replies that are no reply to my simple question? Is that also a Muslim custom? Not to go to the grain and instead to move around the object of the discussion without adressing it at all? Or is it just something aprticular of �ok Ge�? Here such attitude would earn you the nick of "Gallego", as it's said (and is probably true) that if you meet a Galician at the stairs, you will not find out if he's going up or downstairs. So, why did Muslims react to this particular case of Danish free expression adn not to other seemingly more insulting cases that have happened before? Can you give a direct reply?

are you slow or what?

why you keep asking the same question again and agian? now wite it down or put it as a memo in your desktop. ok

 it wasn't the cartoons its the Danish governmnet's position from the cartoons.