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    Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 11:45
Originally posted by Mila

Oh God, Mira. Be careful what you wish for. There are
few that actually were published that are enough to
blow a fuse in the Arab world.


Yes Mila, that's exactly the point.  It would be a lie to say that the reactions weren't expected.  Europe has not yet awakened from the shocking reaction to Theo Van Gogh's offensive movie, and now they're pretending to be shocked by Muslims' reaction to something similar?
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Posts: 697 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 11:48
Originally posted by Cywr

Regarding the proverb, having an orange in your turban means you have something to be proud of, so that explains that particular cartoon, a sort of self-mockery presumably.
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I see.  Thank you for the explanation. 

As for the 3 added cartoons you're talking about, I have not seen them, so I cannot comment on that.
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Originally posted by Mira

So why did they have to insult the person of the Prophet (peace be upon Him)?

They didn't - YOU think they did (at least not the Danes, who knows what that Norwegian fundie paper thought). That's the whole point. And in any case it doesn't warrant a reaction like this. The Bahrainian response was good - they condemned the paper, not the whole nation. Beating up or threatening Danish nationals (and even Muslims who happen to work for a Dano-Swedish company) is way over the top, and has severly damaged the opinon on Muslims in eye of the West.

Originally posted by Mila

The taken out of context excuse doesn't really work
for me in terms of that sentence. Showing your
opposition to "Islam" in no way can be tolerated by
specifying Islamic fundamentalists. If you mean
Islamic fundamentalists, then say Islamic
fundamentalists. If you mean Islam, then say Islam -
just be prepared to bear the consequences.

That said - I did find the end of the article rather
strange? Her two quotes - one about
fundamentalists and the other about what needs to
happen in Denmark - I agree with? It doesn't seem
that crazy to me. It's just the first half that's annoying.

I dunno. Bad translation/poor English from the queen/poor journalism/ignorance from the queen's side. I have no idea, just that she was talking about fundies.

Originally posted by Mortaza

They added 3 offensive pictures to the original 12, i call that lies, yes.

err so why do these guys want to endanger their position at their host countries?

They aren't endangering their position more than usual. These particular extremist imamas are quite disliked by their hosts as it is.

 

As for the 3 added cartoons you're talking about, I have not seen them, so I cannot comment on that.

As I said, I posted links in my first post in this thread.



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I realize all these sorts of things are very subjective,
but Van Gogh's movie wasn't the same to me.

The actress was a Muslim, no one put a gun to her
head and made her play the scenes she did.

The movie, as far as I know, wasn't a mockery nor
was it unnecessarily offensive. The only clips I've
seen are ones of a naked woman with the verses of
the Koran flowing over her body.

I don't think anyone has the right to stop artists from
critiqing society. They just have to be respectful, and
there's a respectful way to do anything. You make
your point, but you don't go overboard.

He could easily have easily shoved a camera half
way up her as- and filmed some guy pretending to
be Mohammed beating her while she prayed - that
would be worth a reaction because it's unnecessary.

But what he did, if what I've seen was the extent of it,
was fine - I'd even say beautiful.
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

Originally posted by Mira

So why did they have to insult the person of the Prophet (peace be upon Him)?

They didn't - YOU think they did (at least not the Danes, who knows what that Norwegian fundie paper thought). That's the whole point. And in any case it doesn't warrant a reaction like this. The Bahrainian response was good - they condemned the paper, not the whole nation. Beating up or threatening Danish nationals (and even Muslims who happen to work for a Dano-Swedish company) is way over the top, and has severly damaged the opinon on Muslims in eye of the West.


I don't know where you got that from.  As far as I know, no Danish nationals were beaten up anywhere in my country.  As a matter of fact, the Danish consulate did not think it was necessary to close down at this critical time.  They feel pretty secure, it seems.

The Bahraini reaction was exactly the same as that of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.  I've been following our news, and I'm pretty sure no such violence against Danish individuals or groups has taken place.
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I was talking about the threats in Palestine against Danish - and Swedish, for some reason or another - citizens to leave the country, and how people working for the Dano-Swedish diary company Arla were beaten up in iirc Riyadh.
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

I was talking about the threats in Palestine against Danish - and Swedish, for some reason or another - citizens to leave the country, and how people working for the Dano-Swedish diary company Arla were beaten up in iirc Riyadh.


As far as I know, in Riyadh, it was an incident that a vehicle was attacked by a stone-throwing crowd.  No one was hurt, and certainly no one was harmed or attacked.  Worried about the car?  Insurance will take care of it.

Sorry about the Palestinians; Arafat would have taken care of that very well, I'm sure, but he was murdered with your blessings. 
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They aren't endangering their position more than usual. These particular extremist imamas are quite disliked by their hosts as it is.

so what are normal muslims thinking?

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So why are Arab governments demanding an apology from the Danish government? Simple, they have no concept of a media that isnt state ran (though there are some in the Arab world).

I'm sorry to say this but allot of people in the Muslim world are cry babies. "well he said something about the Prophet Im going to cry now." When news week runs a false story, 15,000 people died in rioting in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I suppose its news weeks fault right? I mean, Muslims cant be expected to control their emotions

If somebody wants to say something really bad about Islam, Christianity, Arabs, Americans, Germans ect ect uit is their right to do so (at least here in America). Its the freedom thing. I know some of our muslim posters here say "I advocate freedom of speech...but..." which means you only advocate it so long as you arent offended. The whole freedom thing has a good and bad side to it. Sometimes you will have to take ignorant insults.  I really think you guys in the Muslim world need to grow up and stop wineing every time somebody says something bad about you or Islam.

Finally, if those Imams in Denmark have a problem with Denmark, why dont they leave? Something tells me it isnt so bad there. Notice how there is a boycott on products but no call for all Muslims to leave.



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Mortaza, I have no idea.

Originally posted by Mira

Sorry about the Palestinians; Arafat would have taken care of that very well, I'm sure, but he was murdered with your blessings. 

With MY blessings? What the hell are you rambling about? Or did you mean my country? Well, that's funny because the Israelis are constantly accusing us of anti-Semitism since we support Palestine economically and politically. Frankly, you seem pretty misinformed generally. What are you using as your source of information? 



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Why should they leave?  It's their country, too.

We're not going to explain what our problem with the cartoon is, over and over again.  Think what you may.  This is how the situation is, and this is how it's going to be.
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Yes its going to be this way because you guys cant learn how to handle insults like MEN. Your pride is so overwhelming, even more than mine (and I'm a very proud person).
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

Mortaza, I have no idea.

Originally posted by Mira

Sorry about the Palestinians; Arafat would have taken care of that very well, I'm sure, but he was murdered with your blessings. 

With MY blessings? What the hell are you rambling about? Or did you mean my country? Well, that's funny because the Israelis are constantly accusing us of anti-Semitism since we support Palestine economically and politically. Frankly, you seem pretty misinformed generally. What are you using as your source of information? 



I didn't mean you, or your country.  I was referring to the West.
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Originally posted by Loknar

Yes its going to be this way because you guys cant learn how to handle insults like MEN. Your pride is so overwhelming, even more than mine (and I'm a very proud person).


I'm a woman, I take insults personally
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Originally posted by Mira


I didn't mean you, or your country.  I was referring to the West.

The man wasn't even murdered, so my point stays the same. 75 year old men sometimes die of natural causes, you know.
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Originally posted by Mira

Originally posted by Loknar

Yes its going to be this way because you guys cant learn how to handle insults like MEN. Your pride is so overwhelming, even more than mine (and I'm a very proud person).


I'm a woman, I take insults personally

I say that because the Islmaic world is led by men.
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Originally posted by Mira

Originally posted by Mila

Oh God, Mira. Be careful what you wish for. There are
few that actually were published that are enough to
blow a fuse in the Arab world.


Yes Mila, that's exactly the point.  It would be a lie to say that the reactions weren't expected.  Europe has not yet awakened from the shocking reaction to Theo Van Gogh's offensive movie, and now they're pretending to be shocked by Muslims' reaction to something similar?

 

I wonder about the more shocking reaction of people in europe when the man had his his head blown off by a Muslim.



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Yes its going to be this way because you guys cant learn how to handle insults like MEN. Your pride is so overwhelming, even more than mine (and I'm a very proud person).

eerr well I am a man from coast of blacksea, well okey you are right.

You can swear  me,  I can handle insults.
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Originally posted by Mira

I didn't mean you, or your country. I
was referring to the West.


I love that, Mira. "I didn't mean you, or your country. I
meant both and many more countries with hundreds
of millions more people." You think like I do.

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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

Originally posted by Mira


I didn't mean you, or your country.  I was referring to the West.

The man wasn't even murdered, so my point stays the same. 75 year old men sometimes die of natural causes, you know.



That's not what the majority believes.
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