Disputed Persian/Iranian People and Discoveris (inven. , rel.)

In any one country there are many people that have a different past, but they all have a past, everyone remember their best throw.

LOVL, just intrigued to now what they do.

I hold the view rightly or wrongly, that anyone who measure themselves by the others yardstick doesn't measure upto anything. People wont respect u for ur past but for what u r. Khwarizmi, is enough respected for he had something to offer. Anyhow, i wish u good look which ever route u take.

Firstly, let me state I am not going to discuss beliefs or nationalities because it has no bearing on history percieved or actual. The assumption was made by afghanaan because i told him my great grandfather had fluency in four languages amongst which was persian and i made comments on the durand line which ran through his greater afghanistan.

If u must know my creed, then it may be sufficient to quote Thomas Paine:

"my country is the world my religion is to do good".

Now to the matter at hand. We will start by discussing effects of self glorification and its merits. I will cite u the example of a Shah Reza Pahelivi--------->

After all the shah did to bathe Iran in the glories of the past for the world to see it in a new light. Do u know what the western world thought of him and the Iranians as a whole. Well, the following might give u an idea. U r forewarned it wont make pleasant reading.

Before arrival:

"According to recently emerged documents released in October 2001 to the Public Records Office in London, Queen Elizabeth was urged by the Foreign Office not to go as they feared the celebrations were likely to be "undignified and insecure"."

What the media was talking about at the time of the event:

 "the foreign media seemed to have been more interested in Haile Selassie's little dog Chu Chu and her diamond collar."

After the shahs death:

"Tragically, Mohammed Reza Shah, the last of a long line of Persian monarchs, ended his days like a modern version of the Flying Dutchman. When the Shah left Iran on January 16th, 1979, he could find refuge in no port and seemed cursed to wander forever. He went to Egypt, to Morocco, to the Bahamas, to Mexico, America and Panama. But no one wanted him to stay; he was a reject, a pariah, a figure to whom very little world sympathy attached, and virtually no government wanted to risk the angering of the fanatical ayatollahs."

About ur comments about the new born. (implied lesser nations).----->>

If i was to take the antagonistic position, i may say Iran became independent 12 yrs before India and Pakistan, and they both got their Nukes 7 yrs ago, while iran is still trying to get theirs. If they r allowed. It should be for u a source of embarrassment.

If I was to further say, iranians have been around for more than 2500 yrs and P & I only 50 odd yrs, it makes the situation worse.

Afghanistan been around as a country for 250 odd yrs and doesnt even have a functioning airline.
With life expectancy at birth, a pathetic and depressing 43 yrs. So no more comments on that front are needed.

forty percent of the Iranian population live under the poverty line, although i know it is because of isolationist polices of the west and due to no fault of the iranians themselves. But that is the stark reality which u choose to ignore, at the same time demonstrating an arrogance beyond belief.

I will take the example of the UAE rather then Brunei just to keep matters brief. Just like u can relate to a past 2500 yrs ago while residing in america, the arabs can relate to two through Ishmael to the abrahmic inheritance and all the way back to Arabia Felix the aboriginal home of the arabs. Arabia Felix means Happy or flourishing Arabia in latin.

Here is a snippet of what Ptolemy had to say about them and ur countrymen:

"Part by part, again, Parthia, Media, and Persia are more closely familiar to Taurus and Venus; hence their inhabitants use embroidered clothing, which covers their entire body except the breast, and they are as a general thing luxurious and clean. Babylonia, Mesopotamia, and Assyria are familiar to Virgo and Mercury, and so the study of mathematics and the observation of the five planets are special traits of these peoples.

India, Ariana, and Gedrosia have familiarity with Capricorn and Saturn; therefore the inhabitants of these countries are ugly, unclean, and bestial.

The remaining parts of the quarter, situated about the center of the inhabited world, Idumaea, Coel�, Syria, Judaca, Phoenicia, Chaldaea, Orchinia, and Arabia Felix, which are situated toward the north-west of the whole quarter, have additional familiarity with the north-western triangle, Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius, and, furthermore, have as co-rulers Jupiter, Mars, and Mercury. Therefore these peoples are, in comparison with the others, more gifted in trade and exchange; they are more unscrupulous, despicable cowards, treacherous, servile, and in general fickle, on account of the aspect of the stars mentioned.

Of these, again, the inhabitants of Coel�, Syria, Idumaea, and Judaea are more closely familiar to Aries and Mars, and therefore these peoples are in general bold, godless, and scheming. The Phoenicians, Chaldaeans, and Orchinians have familiarity with Leo and the sun, so that they are simpler, kindly, addicted to astrology, and beyond all men worshippers of the sun.

The inhabitants of Arabia Felix are familiar to Sagittarius and Jupiter; this accounts for the fertility of the country, in accordance with its name, and its multitudes of spices, and the grace of its inhabitants and their free spirit in daily life, in exchange, and in business."

The sabean kingdom was an arabian kingdom and its past was more glorious than if not equal to the parsis.

U continually rant on about what should have been and not staying backwards. But u r a backward looking person i feel, who is clinging to past glories in face of a decrepit present. But so overwhelmed by past glories that he is failing to create new ones.

U need to be proactive, i would like to hear what u r doing to make ur country a better place.(of course u r not obliged to answer).

For the activist is not the person who says the river is dirty but the one that cleans it up.

I know many monarchs were present including Haile Selassie's little dog Chu Chu.

I think that last post kind of like flew over or around ur head.

I did not ask u any questions except one which like i said u were not obliged to answer. The post was supposed to be an insight into the merits of self glorification and its uses. It did not help the shah and it wont help u.

Moral of the story is people are more interested in what u have to offer them. They respect the presence of oil more then the grand parade. Grand parade wont get the attention that oil will.

U keep bringing up pakistan, which is as about as much of a botheration  to me as is iran. Yes it is quite pathetic as well, but then it doesnt claim to be part of a "civilization" dating back to the last iceage.

"The sabean kingdom was an arabian kingdom and its past was more glorious than if not equal to the parsis."

It is an if not statement, i am not saying they were better i am saying that they could have been, but not less.

Maybe ptolemy was biased towards persians i am not fully sure, it could be because they just sacked presopolis and concquered the whole of persia.

http://portal.unesco.org/education/en/ev.php-URL_ID=15825&am p;URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

http://www.arab.net/yemen/yn_ancient.htm

http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/PROJ/YEM/Yemen.html#AnnualReports

Yes Indeed, the famous GREEK geographer  Claudius Ptolemy born in ALEXANDRIA and who came about 400 yrs after Ptolemy(alexanders companion). But it is not too old a history for a people brought up on the Legends of ALEXANDER, how can they forget they live in a place called alexandria. I was hypothesising that if u think u didint get an  adequeate review it could be because of a victor vanquished relationship. Y do u always think i hve something aginst persians, i dont.

I have personally believed that he was spurned on to become a geographer because of stories myths and legends of Alexander in far flung lands.

Now the point was that the arabs too had an ancient civilized history and it didnt spring out of the deserts with the expansion of islam. Although may be not as old when compared with the persians. So u shouldnt belittle a people because they live in the UNITED ARAB EMIRATES.

besides islam and the arabic script (both by force) what did the give us? dont misconstrew my question, i dont know much about the arab influence on iran and i would like to enlighten me on its influence.

well why dont you tell me about arab civilisation and culture. post some articles, stuff like that?

i obviously dont know about it, if you do, instead of not doing anything why dont you enlighten me?

ok darling, here goes.

Petra-------->

http://www.see-jordan.com/petra.html