Disputed Persian/Iranian People and Discoveris (inven. , rel.)

another thing i hate, people talking about things they dont understand.

facts you need to know before making comments like the above:

1) Iranians were FORCED into islam.  many iranians were killed because they did not convert, many left iran to go to india to save their lives, and the reason we use the arabic script today is because the arabs, during their occupation BANNED the Persian language in an attempt to arabise us! but we survived, we maintained our culture, our language, we kicked the arabs out, the only thing we didnt do was kick islam out, if we had done that we wouldnt be in the situation we are today!

2) the islamic revolution in iran was based on a lie. take it from my parents who lived through it! the mullahs came to power by promisind democracy! they even had a democratic liberal minded person in power named bazargan! after the mullahs had enough control over the military and the country, they purged out all the liberal politicians including Bazargan, which they had previously supported, they purged many mullahs who were against mixing of religion and politics, and then they brought sharia law.  Khomeni was a lier!  Most of the people in iran at the time of the revolution, like my parents, supported the BAZARGAN GOVERNMENT believing that democracy would come but they were lied to!

3) the mullahs are corrupt! they kill, torture, and imprison! they steal money from the country, many of them have become rich since the revolution, and they are using the plain and simple muslims as a support base to stay in power.

4) islamic culture is basically Persian culture and turkish culture.  Islam in iran is iranian, the culture is iranian, even shia'ism was started by Iranians. so the islamic culture in iran has nothing to do with arab and turkish islamic culture, it is PURELY OUR OWN CREATION (the culture i mean).

you dont know anything about Iran. next time dont make comments like the above.

U r indeed right to reason as above. But my point was that the name itself incorporates Islamic, that is how the country is identified. Some forumers believe that by ignoring some aspects of their history they can belong exclusively to the "Persian empire of bygone days".

I do understand the predicament of non-muslim Persians since they can not identify with that history, but they totally ignore the obvious ramifications of an enduring more recent past.

you are paranoid, there is not threat. i just said dont make stupid comments that you cannot back up with evidence.

and i let everything out, for example i am talking to you about

and you'd be surprised how many iranians have rejected islam since the mullahs took power, like most of my family. 

look at the facts, what has islam brought to iran except suffering?

I was not talking about muslim attitude of pre islamic history, but of non-muslim attitude of post islamic period. I dont by any means say that in absoloute terms, for i dont know how they feel eitherway. May be u can expand on it.

The kind of attitude that i am talking about is embodied in the event of 1971 presepolis prade where The shah had a lapse in history.

Ramin, it doesnt bother me if iranians r muslims or non-muslim, but some people develop an amnesia and start ranting on about artificial history, with militant zeal. They join the grand parade of the shah, who i think spent $70 or 170 million dollars on glorification of the past, when that money should have been used for a brighter futre.

Well we all remember what happened to him anyway.

@Malizai_, the parade at 1971 wasn't a very important reason for the islamic revolution. There were many reasons.

one of the important reason for the islamic revoution was in my opinion was the Shah's plan to modernizing Iran very fast and at any cost. He has missid to modernize the Iranians effectively, so, Iranians had a modern life but were still conservative and superstitiouse in heart. For example it is clear that a patriarchal society like Iran won't tolerate female police at the crossways. The shah hadn't tried a deep and groundly modernization, but dealt superficially.

Another reson was the Shah himself. He was weak and had a unstable character. And so comes that he wasn't able to choose the right decision as he saw people rised against him.

These was only two reasons of much more reasons for the revolution. The reason why Iranian revolted against Shah is very complex and need to be analyzed. So you can't claime people rised against Shah only becouse of the parade 1971.

When I was on my way to Persepolis a couple of years ago in a taxi, I criticised the event and the driver defended it and the Shah, relatvely the cost was nothing. It was just one ceremony and WHY not? Every other country can have them, why not Iran?  Why should we not celebrate our history, every other nation seems to do it...

This event was used as propaganda against the Shah's regime by the British through their BBC Persian service.  What's the saying in Iran? "Lift up a mullah's beard and you will see the Made in England mark"

Malizai,

Everybody knows that the Shah was decadent, but spending money on Cultural Preservation is always important.  You ofcourse are Pakistani, and Pakistan is only a country that is only 50+ years old, and even my grandmother is older than Pakistan.  Just because Pakistan as a nation does not have enough history to speak of does not mean you should ridicule the Cultural bias of other people who realize the potential of their nation. 

I think the more Iranians can culturally identify with their own, and know their history, the better they will be in protecting and preserving their future.