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Mira
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Topic: Would US attack Iran?!! Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 10:45 |
Now you're making sense.
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SearchAndDestroy
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 10:51 |
Hogwash. Kerry would have the same mess on his hands. What do you think he could have done as C-in-C? Just leave? |
He wouldn't have left Iraq, he said that because he knows we can't just leave once you get into it. But odds are we wouldn't be looking to go to Iran. He probably would have stressed to the extreme more Diplomacy. Now you may say thats just weak, but before war it doesn't matter who is stronger if intimidation doesn't work against a country will to fight, it's just going to be the deaths of thousands.
We are doing absolutly everything to get in talks with a man incharge of North Korea who watched his little brother drown when he was a child, so he's obviously insane and he wants nukes. But yet we won't push for talks with Iran and seem to be jumping to the idea of attacking them.
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Zagros
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 11:11 |
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no it is worse. I would compare it to inhaling a gaseous heavy metal. |
Well, that's what it is, but in the long term it's like any other heavy metal in the soil and water, something that's very common with other weapons, and additives to weapons.
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Well the point is, that it gives people cancer and poisons their bodies and makes their babies come out deformed in the short term. Technically, it is therefore a WMD.
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pikeshot1600
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 11:24 |
Originally posted by Zagros
Originally posted by Genghis
Originally posted by Zagros
no it is worse. I would compare it to inhaling a gaseous heavy metal. |
Well, that's what it is, but in the long term it's like any other heavy metal in the soil and water, something that's very common with other weapons, and additives to weapons.
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Well the point is, that it gives people cancer and poisons their bodies and makes their babies come out deformed in the short term. Technically, it is therefore a WMD.
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Under such thinking, any process associated with military activity that has residuals such as mercury, or cadmium or asbestos or PCBs is a WMD.
Life isn't risk free. Such things happen in civilian life also.
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Mira
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 11:31 |
Talk about caring for their image.
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Genghis
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 11:32 |
Originally posted by Zagros
Originally posted by Genghis
Originally posted by Zagros
no it is worse. I would compare it to inhaling a gaseous heavy metal. |
Well, that's what it is, but in the long term it's like any other heavy metal in the soil and water, something that's very common with other weapons, and additives to weapons.
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Well the point is, that it gives people cancer and poisons their bodies and makes their babies come out deformed in the short term. Technically, it is therefore a WMD.
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That doesn't make it a weapon of mass destruction. There is no all encompassing definition of WMD, but generally a DU shell will kill only one tank and crew member at a time and it does not do so using bacteriological, toxic, or nuclear properties. Any kills are the result of its extreme density. Residue is unintentional and not meant to kill anyone by the people who use it, whether or not it actually does.
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 11:41 |
Originally posted by Mira
Talk about caring for their image. |
What was that about? Life isn't risk free? Agree or not?
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 11:50 |
Originally posted by Genghis
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[QUOTE=Zagros]no it is worse. I would compare it to inhaling a gaseous heavy metal. |
Well, that's what it is, but in the long term it's like any other heavy metal in the soil and water, something that's very common with other weapons, and additives to weapons.
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I know all about DU ammunition, but the fact that it has the consequences that it does and is still used means that the users don't give a sh*t about the collateral, therefore it is intentional.
So say the Russians periodically invade various US states, knowing fine well the consequences of using the munitions that they do, the greater american general public wouldnt blame them for having retarded/deformed babies as well as tens of thousands of infrim?
ie: Would you blame the Russians? would it be their fault?
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:11 |
"Life isn't risk free. Such things happen in civilian life also."
Yes, there is a risk, but why increase it?
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They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:13 |
Originally posted by Cent
"Life isn't risk free. Such things happen in civilian life also."
Yes, there is a risk, but why increase it?
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:15 |
Originally posted by Zagros
Originally posted by Genghis
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[QUOTE=Zagros]no it is worse. I would compare it to inhaling a gaseous heavy metal. |
Well, that's what it is, but in the long term it's like any other heavy metal in the soil and water, something that's very common with other weapons, and additives to weapons.
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I know all about DU ammunition, but the fact that it has the consequences that it does and is still used means that the users don't give a sh*t about the collateral, therefore it is intentional.
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If it's collateral damage that means it is unintentional.
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:21 |
it is criminal negligence.
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Genghis
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:24 |
Originally posted by Zagros
it is criminal negligence.
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It is a fact of war, get used to it.
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:27 |
Justification unaccepted by the rest of the world - how about you get used to that?
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:27 |
"It is a fact of war, get used to it."
No it isn't. Okey, it's war and you try to kill your enemy the best you can, with the best weapons. But why use something that'll harm people AFTER the war? It's stupid to use something if it gives horrible sideeffects like 20 years after a war.
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They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
Abdul Rahman Qassemlou
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:30 |
Originally posted by Mira
Justification unaccepted by the rest of the world - how about you get used to that? |
When it comes to national interests, the acceptance by the rest of the world is not relevant. We are used to it, as are, and have been all other powers.
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:35 |
Originally posted by Mira
Justification unaccepted by the rest of the world - how about you get used to that? |
Quite easily given that most people just bitch and moan but in the end won't get up out of their armchair to do anything.
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Mira
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:38 |
Originally posted by pikeshot1600
Originally posted by Mira
Justification unaccepted by the rest of the world - how about you get used to that? |
When it comes to national interests, the acceptance by the rest
of the world is not relevant. We are used to it, as are, and have
been all other powers.
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I think you're right. Everybody knows about the American greed.
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Mira
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:39 |
Originally posted by Genghis
Originally posted by Mira
Justification unaccepted by the rest of the world - how about you get used to that? |
Quite easily given that most people just bitch and moan but in the end won't get up out of their armchair to do anything. |
Well maybe you guys should stop moaning about the Iraqi resistance then.
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malizai_
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Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 12:54 |
Originally posted by pikeshot1600
Originally posted by Mira
Justification unaccepted by the rest of the world - how about you get used to that? |
When it comes to national interests, the acceptance by the rest of the world is not relevant. We are used to it, as are, and have been all other powers.
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Then also get used to the hate and criticism. U cant have it both ways. Problem is that decent Americans with more humane values than urselves have to suffer alongside the likes of u who champion illegitimate military causes.
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