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    Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 13:23

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I think depleted uranium  deserves a thread of its own.  It is a declaration of war against humanity.

Depleted Uranium isn't radioactive to any large degree, that's why it's halflife is 9 billion years.  The only health problems come from the fact that it is a heavy metal, similar in effects to silver and gold dust.  Even then, the WHO investigation in Bosnia said that the effects were localized to within a few meters of the impact site.  DU shells are not any more toxic or volatile than any other sort of chemicals used by the military such as some high performance fuels and explosives.

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I saw a documentary saying that it contaminates the water supply and people were getting cancer in large amounts in Iraq because of the first Gulf War.
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WHO suppressed scientific study into depleted uranium cancer fears in Iraq

Radiation experts warn in unpublished report that DU weapons used by Allies in Gulf war pose long-term health risk
By Rob Edwards, Environment Editor

 
An expert report warning that the long-term health of Iraqs civilian population would be endangered by British and US depleted uranium (DU) weapons has been kept secret.

The study by three leading radiation scientists cautioned that children and adults could contract cancer after breathing in dust containing DU, which is radioactive and chemically toxic. But it was blocked from publication by the World Health Organisation (WHO), which employed the main author, Dr Keith Baverstock, as a senior radiation advisor. He alleges that it was deliberately suppressed, though this is denied by WHO.

Baverstock also believes that if the study had been published when it was completed in 2001, there would have been more pressure on the US and UK to limit their use of DU weapons in last years war, and to clean up afterwards.

Hundreds of thousands of DU shells were fired by coalition tanks and planes during the conflict, and there has been no comprehensive decontamination. Experts from the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) have so far not been allowed into Iraq to assess the pollution.

Our study suggests that the widespread use of depleted uranium weapons in Iraq could pose a unique health hazard to the civilian population, Baverstock told the Sunday Herald.

There is increasing scientific evidence the radio activity and the chemical toxicity of DU could cause more damage to human cells than is assumed.

Baverstock was the WHOs top expert on radiation and health for 11 years until he retired in May last year. He now works with the Department of Environmental Sciences at the University of Kuopio in Finland, and was recently appointed to the UK governments newly formed Committee on Radio active Waste Management.

While he was a member of staff, WHO refused to give him permission to publish the study, which was co-authored by Professor Carmel Mothersill from McMaster University in Canada and Dr Mike Thorne, a radiation consultant . Baverstock suspects that WHO was leaned on by a more powerful pro-nuclear UN body, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

I believe our study was censored and suppressed by the WHO because they didnt like its conclusions. Previous experience suggests that WHO officials were bowing to pressure from the IAEA, whose remit is to promote nuclear power, he said. That is more than unfortunate, as publishing the study would have helped forewarn the authorities of the risks of using DU weapons in Iraq.

These allegations, however, are dismissed as totally unfounded by WHO. The IAEA role was very minor, said Dr Mike Repacholi, the WHO coordinator of radiation and environmental health in Geneva. The article was not approved for publication because parts of it did not reflect accurately what a WHO-convened group of inter national experts considered the best science in the area of depleted uranium, he added.

Baverstocks study, which has now been passed to the Sunday Herald, pointed out that Iraqs arid climate meant that tiny particles of DU were likely to be blown around and inhaled by civilians for years to come. It warned that, when inside the body, their radiation and toxicity could trigger the growth of malignant tumours.

The study suggested that the low-level radiation from DU could harm cells adjacent to those that are directly irradiated, a phenomenon known as the bystander effect. This undermines the stability of the bodys genetic system, and is thought by many scientists to be linked to cancers and possibly other illnesses.

In addition, the DU in Iraq, like that used in the Balkan conflict, could turn out to be contaminated with plutonium and other radioactive waste . That would make it more radioactive and hence more dangerous, Baverstock argued.

The radiation and the chemical toxicity of DU could also act together to create a cocktail effect that further increases the risk of cancer. These are all worrying possibilities that urgently require more investigation, he said.

Baverstocks anxiety about the health effects of DU in Iraq is shared by Pekka Haavisto, the chairman of the UN Environment Programmes Post-Conflict Assessment Unit in Geneva. It is certainly a concern in Iraq, there is no doubt about that, he said.

UNEP, which surveyed DU contamination in Bosnia and Herzegovina in 2002, is keen to get into Iraq to monitor the situation as soon as possible. It has been told by the British government that about 1.9 tonnes of DU was fired from tanks around Basra, but has no information from US forces, which are bound to have used a lot more.

Haavistos greatest worry is when buildings hit by DU shells have been repaired and reoccupied without having been properly cleaned up. Photographic evidence suggests that this is exactly what has happened to the ministry of planning building in Baghdad.

He also highlighted evidence that DU from weapons had been collected and recycled as scrap in Iraq. It could end up in a fork or a knife, he warned.

It is ridiculous to leave the material lying around and not to clear it up where adults are working and children are playing. If DU is not taken care of, instead of decreasing the risk you are increasing it. It is absolutely wrong.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 13:33

Blowing the N-whistle : Depleted uranium: How dangerous is it?

A former US military researcher tells Gay Alcorn of his crusade to expose the health risks of depleted-uranium weapons used in the Gulf wars.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 13:34

Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy

I saw a documentary saying that it contaminates the water supply and people were getting cancer in large amounts in Iraq because of the first Gulf War.

Many other regularly used chemicals in conventional warfare do the same thing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 13:37
I wouldn't say it was kept secret. The news media had a field day a couple years ago when the effects of it got out and they were interviewing Veterans of the first Gulf War saying they felt betrayed not being told the effects of it after they were told to check out the tanks they destroyed earlier.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 13:40

Many other regularly used chemicals in conventional warfare do the same thing.
True, but in away we are attacking civilians in the long term. We had no reason to come back for a second invasion, it seems people are now dying in vein.

Just shows how nasty war is...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 13:41
Originally posted by Genghis

Originally posted by malizai_

I think depleted uranium  deserves a thread of its own.  It is a declaration of war against humanity.

Depleted Uranium isn't radioactive to any large degree, that's why it's halflife is 9 billion years.  The only health problems come from the fact that it is a heavy metal, similar in effects to silver and gold dust.  Even then, the WHO investigation in Bosnia said that the effects were localized to within a few meters of the impact site.  DU shells are not any more toxic or volatile than any other sort of chemicals used by the military such as some high performance fuels and explosives.

it isnt the radioactivity of the DEPLETED URANIUM that does the damage, it is the uranium DUST itself.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 14:48

Originally posted by malizai_

I think depleted uranium  deserves a thread of its own.  It is a declaration of war against humanity.

Well, I assume you have heard of thermonuclear hydrogen warheads, chemical and biological weapons.  DU hardly compares.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 14:52
Originally posted by Zagros

Originally posted by Genghis

Originally posted by malizai_

I think depleted uranium  deserves a thread of its own.  It is a declaration of war against humanity.

Depleted Uranium isn't radioactive to any large degree, that's why it's halflife is 9 billion years.  The only health problems come from the fact that it is a heavy metal, similar in effects to silver and gold dust.  Even then, the WHO investigation in Bosnia said that the effects were localized to within a few meters of the impact site.  DU shells are not any more toxic or volatile than any other sort of chemicals used by the military such as some high performance fuels and explosives.

it isnt the radioactivity of the DEPLETED URANIUM that does the damage, it is the uranium DUST itself.  

But it's honestly no worse than all sorts of other things that are used in warfare.  Things like fuels and lubricants are much worse.

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no it is worse. I would compare it to inhaling a gaseous heavy metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 18:23

This is y i am worried. A lot of people getting killed again. I have every right to hold my reserveration, as to the good intentions of the americabn administration in the region. Once bitten twice shy.

http://www.bushflash.com/signals.html

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 19:06
If only Kerry got into office, more loss of life could have been prevented...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 19:58

Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy

If only Kerry got into office, more loss of life could have been prevented...

It would have definately been better than this mess. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 22:12

Originally posted by Zagros

no it is worse. I would compare it to inhaling a gaseous heavy metal.

Well, that's what it is, but in the long term it's like any other heavy metal in the soil and water, something that's very common with other weapons, and additives to weapons.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 00:53

Are you people serious when you argue about the lesser of (two or more) evils?  DU being the lesser evil doesn't justify the use and damage!  Can you be more sympathetic to those who were/are affected by it, please?  It's like telling a person, "So what if you lost an eye because I poked a pen in it.  You have your other eye.  At least you're not completely blind." 

That's absolutely ridiculous!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 10:08
Originally posted by malizai_

Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy

If only Kerry got into office, more loss of life could have been prevented...

It would have definately been better than this mess. 

Hogwash.  Kerry would have the same mess on his hands.  What do you think he could have done as C-in-C?  Just leave?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 10:23
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Are you people serious when you argue about the lesser of (two or more) evils?  DU being the lesser evil doesn't justify the use and damage!  Can you be more sympathetic to those who were/are affected by it, please?  It's like telling a person, "So what if you lost an eye because I poked a pen in it.  You have your other eye.  At least you're not completely blind." 

That's absolutely ridiculous!

Are you being serious when you talk about your Care Bear love everyone solution to the problem?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 10:26
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Are you being serious when you talk about your Care Bear love everyone solution to the problem?


Love-everyone? 

You must be kidding.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 10:30

Originally posted by Mira

Originally posted by Genghis

Are you being serious when you talk about your Care Bear love everyone solution to the problem?


Love-everyone? 

You must be kidding.

Fine

Are you being serious when you talk about your Care Bear love-everyone-but-the-USA-the-one-and-only-source-of-evil-in -the-world solution to the problem?

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