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Topic: Oceans are dying Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 06:19 |
Canadian scientists of Memorial University have brought new data that
shows that at some deep water species have plumetter by about 98% in a
generation, meeting the criteria to be classified as critically
endangered.
This stuation is blamed in bottom-trawling techniques that literally
break havoc in oceanic floors, destroying the bases that allow for
fishes to live and reproduce.
They ask for an inmediate moratorium in bottom-trawling fishing as the only way to allow the seas to recover.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4581428.stm
Seafloor before and after bottom-trawlers' passage
Check also http://www.savethehighseas.org/
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 13:09 |
Yeah bottom trawling is pretty rough stuff. It comes from the very profitable cod fishing trade that went from Massachussettes through Newfoundland and the Atlantic.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 13:34 |
One would think that with the near-total depletion of cod and other fish stocks (due to overfishing mainly by factory ships) that resulted in the devastation of coastal communities in Qubec's Gaspsie and the Maritime provinces whose effects have lasted even until today, people would have learned their lesson and become more wise in managing conserving the fragile maritime resources. Canada's experience with commercial fishing demonstrates a clear example of what unregulated commercial fishing can do to an economy and an eco-system.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 22:23 |
It's sick! Stocks are near-depleted and many species may well be extinct or near-extinction and governments don't react.
I've stopped eating any kind of seafood but it's just an individual gesture.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 23:04 |
Yes, it's a shame. A kind of tragedy of the commons type example, no one answers for it's destruction (except governments) so there's no incentive to conserve. Global stocks also probably just can't keep up with demand regardless of how you do it, that's why fish farms will be the wave of the future.
Maju, don't feel bad about eating farm raised fish, if anything you should and give them the monetary help they need to expand. Every fish you eat from a fish farm does it's part to promote sustainable seafood production.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 23:12 |
Farmed fish isn't completly clean either.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 00:20 |
I agree with Cywr: fish and seafood farms are also part of the problem,
they can be very destructive and polluting. I just don't eat fish or
seafood anymore... at least normally (sometimes I forget ).
The only solution (though it may well be too late) would be to restrict
global fishing to a truly sustainable ammount, banning all kind of
abusive techniques... but that would require a World government, like
so many other global problems.
Anyhow even at the local level governments are uninterested in sea protection: you don't see it, so it doesn't matter.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 02:50 |
My diet in based on seafood, and like most seafood based communties I plan on having less depression and a longer healtheri life. Cod may be depleted but I dont eat cod, not all fish is bloody cod.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 03:04 |
The process may have been perfected by Canadian (?) cod fishermen, but its used the world over for all sorts of fish.
I eat fish, i have to as my diet would be crap otherwise, i think i
have a sort of hunter gather diet as it consists of grains, nuts,
seeds, meat and fish pretty much.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 03:07 |
Well then just dont eat the endandgered ones, if one stops being endangered again dont eat it. Its not like anyone gives a damn about the individual fish...and if they do they are a HUGE PUSSY!
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 03:46 |
They are all endangered right now: anchovy captures this year in Europe
have been pathetic and all that the European Comission has been able to
do is to grant a biological stop of 6 months. That's all!
My attitude right now is to hell with the fishing industry! It's surely
not the fault of fishermen only (governments should have acted) but
anyhow fishing industry is finished, so let's try to at least save the
fish.
(And to improve your diet eat vegetables and fruit, not fish).
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 04:05 |
Hey fish based diets on the whole bring longer happier lives to peopel than any other kind. Anyway I do eat plenty of fruits and veggies, but fish is my staple, like the people of Okinawa who on the whole have the largest amount of healthy 100plus people in the world. Though Okinawans make terrible sushi.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 10:03 |
New Zealand have dealt with the problem very well and I have no idea why other communites and nations have not done the same.
They have implemented large no fishing zones, where trawlers are barred from going. These areas flourish with marine life and cause an over spill into the areas that can be trawled, thereby perpetuating a sustainable source of seafood, which incidentally, I love.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 10:37 |
Originally posted by Cywr
Farmed fish isn't completly clean either.
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Neither are land farms, but it's better than ripping up the sea floor.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 18:27 |
Originally posted by Genghis
Originally posted by Cywr
Farmed fish isn't completly clean either.
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Neither are land farms, but it's better than ripping up the sea floor. |
Some fish farms destroy coastal enviroment what also damages the ocean
life a lot. Farmed fish, due to massification and who knows what, are
much more likely to develope diseases that then are propagated to thei
wild cousins. The "remedy" is to use massively chemicals medicines,
which destroy the area and are also a potential risk to our health.
Of course that land farming is also very problematic but I'm bound to eat or die.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 21:09 |
All agriculture by its nature does two things hippies hate...cause environmental damage and involve genetic modification. The funny thing is this is not new, since the first plant was cultivated agriculture has been both genetically modified by people and caused damage to the environment. Thereofre no matter what you do you will never eat totally "clean" food EVER. Nor have most people done so for thousands of years. Oh well we are still here. We try to limit our damage but theres no such thing as eliminating it completely.
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