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Nagyfejedelem 
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 Topic: Historical maps of HungaryPosted: 09-Jan-2006 at 07:32 |
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Hungarians in Slovenia
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Nagyfejedelem
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Hungarians in Croatia
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The counties of Hungary in 1914
The counties of Hungary in 1990
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Nagyfejedelem
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Nagyfejedelem
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Nagyfejedelem
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Nagyfejedelem
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Nagyfejedelem
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Nagyfejedelem
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Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 07:31 |
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Marriage connections of 11-13th c. Hungarian Kings
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Nagyfejedelem
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Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 08:06 |
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Transylvania in the 13. century
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Surbel
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Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 08:26 |
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First of all,good work guys. I have some question about the relationship betwen Croatia(Hrvatska) and Hungary,before and after 1097(Battle at Gvozd).
Even today in Croatia still exist in many books contradictions,like...: "" 1102 Representatives of 12 Croatian clans elect Hungarian King Koloman as their ruler ("Pacta Conventa"). Croatia remains independent. """" Croatia remains independent??? Pacta conventa,did it exist and what was her purpose??? |
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Nagyfejedelem
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Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 09:34 |
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Croation historians had and has an opinion that Ladislaus in 1090 and later Coloman were invited and elected by Croats. So, King Koloman had a party in Croatia, but Croats truely didn't have an other possibility. The Pacta Conventa came into being a few hundred years later, so it is an fraudulent imitation. Croatia had a special status in the Kingdom of Hungary, a so-called automomy, but it wasn't the consequence of an election. In this time Venice and Byzantium wanted to conquer Croatia, so Hungarian Kings gave a better state to the Croats. Many hundred years later Croations were dissatisfied with Hungary and found an idea: Croatia were not conquered, Hungarian Kings were elected, so Croatia had a title to be independent from Hungary. This is the secret of the Pacta.
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Surbel
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Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 10:25 |
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http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacta_Conventa
On this link,but unfortunately i find it only in Croatian. I'm gonna post here Croatian rulers and translate to you some parts,if you can compare with your arhive and named those wich are Hungarian by nacionality. Don't be confused,cous i know they have chang some names but i want your confimation. You can also corect the names with original ones. HRVATSKI VLADARI
(knezovi, kraljevi, carevi, banovi)
Knezovi Primorske
(Dalmatinske) Hrvatske (Dukes of Dalmatian Hrvatska) Kraljevi hrvatske
narodne dinastije (Kings of Croatian nationl dynasty) Ugarsko - hrvatska
dinastija Arpadovica 1102.-1301.(Ungaro-Croatian dynasty Arpadovic 1102-1301) (Cous in Hungary before 1102. was only a one king Stjepan,Bela,Ladislav and
1102. - 1116. Koloman Ugarsko - hrvatska
dinastija Anjou - Anzu 1301.-1409. Ugarsko - hrvatski
kraljevi raznih dinastija Luksemburgovci - Habsburgovci - Korvini
- Jagelovici Hrvatski kraljevi
iz dinastije Habsburg 1527.-1740. Hrvatsko - ugarski
kraljevi iz dinastije Habsburg - Lotarinske Neizabrani vladari
Bonapartovici (notelected rulers Bonapartovici) Nametnuti vladari (Enforced rulers) Hrvatski banovi (Croatian bans,only Croatian-Dalmatian-Slavonian from 1345 to 1921) Ban Banovine Hrvatske pol.----------half st.------------century I hope that you gonna understand,if you don't please ask. |
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Nagyfejedelem
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Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 17:19 |
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It's a difficult question for me. After 1090 the Kings of Hungary were the Kings of Croatia in the same time. But not every Hungarian King were Hungarian by nationality.
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Surbel
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Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 17:57 |
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Do you have maby an official list of Hungarian rulers,bans,dukes?
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 03:07 |
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Pacta Conventa: The existence of a charter is rather dubious, it much more probable that there was an oath by king Coloman in order to keep the Croatian aristocracy peace. I think we must separate Croatia and Slavonia. Slavonia was seized earlier and in different conditions. Legally It was integrated into the Hungarian Kingdom. (Later the legal ties between Slavonia and the Kingdom weakened and the ties between "royal" Croatia and Slavonia strendthened.) The Kingdom of Croatia never became part of the Kingdom. It became part of the realm.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 03:19 |
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I have realized that you translated the name Jnos (=John) to Ivan. Is this the Croatian equivalent of this name? In Hungarian both name exists independently and i haven't known that they are related. I have found a translation in wikipedia: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A1nok_list%C3%A1ja Edited by Raider |
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Surbel
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 04:19 |
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Croatian history in one point can be very frustrated,cous the rulers wich they had from Hungary they gave themCroatian names like it was an example in Dalmatia for latin architects Giusepe Verdi is in Croatian Josip Zeleni,but with Josip Zeleni i cannot search in any latin documantacions .
Janos(Hungary)=John(England)=Ivan(Croatian)=Jovan(Serbian) I always separate the Croatia,Slavonia,Dalmatia and Istra,in past times they were not together like they are today(thanks to 1939 and Tito later,that's another story). I know Croatia very well,i live there occasionaly. They are trying present today diferent view on things wich are already behind us. |
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Surbel
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 04:20 |
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Thanks for the link Raider
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Raider
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 04:42 |
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Once I an essay on the net in wich a Hungarian historian compared Croatian and Hungarian history textbooks. She said that the majority of the books give the same picture of the events (even if from a different point of view) and there are disputes only in minor questions. I have found quite interesting that the Wesselnyi-conspiration is called Zrinski-Frakopan conspiration in Croatian books. This is the link to the essay, but the it is in Hungarian. http://www.opkm.hu/konyvesneveles/2004/2/6Jenyikne.html Edited by Raider |
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