Cypriots to get their lands back ???

I cannot understand Turkish, but seriously doubt that this is the case. I mean that in the past, they refused to acknowledge this right, even to people who had won their properties back in court (Louizidou case).

 

Could be, after all politics are a game of give and take...

 

 

The right of return has to go both ways.

You can't expect Bosniaks to be allowed to return to
their homes in Banja Luka and not allow Bosnian
Serbs to return to their homes in Mostar, it just
doesn't work.

Sometimes some form of compensation is easier.
Imagine, for example, if Israel allowed all the
Palestinians to return to their pre-1967 or pre-1948
homes. There would not be a single district in the
country where a majority of the population was
Jewish, the whole identity of the 'Jewish State' would
be lost.

So they'll be forced to offer some sort of
compensation, probably for the refugees from 1948,
since they're smaller in number and from areas like
Jaffa (Tel Aviv), where it might be unrealistic to bring
in tens of thousands of returnees.

And for the 1967 crowd, from the Gaza strip and the
West Bank, they can offer a choice between return or
compensation.

It's not perfect but it's the only way it will function.

The same would have to be implemented in Cyprus.
You can't allow Eastern Orthodox residents to return
their homes of generations while not allowing
Muslim residents to do the same.

They should be doing the same for European Jews
as well.

Sorry Yiannis, I didn't realize it was rude!

I agree that it is something that needs to be
addressed. If European Jews can return to Israel
after 2,000 years, surely Palestinians can return after
50. The logic that created Israel is the same logic
that could potentially destroy it.

So there has to be some sort of balance, but who
knows. There are two quotes about the situation
there I really like. I saw them in documentaries and
they stayed in my mind.

One was from a Palestinian woman and she said
something like, "Yes, it's true the Jews were driven
away. But I didn't do it, my ancestors didn't do it. They
can't blame my family for something the Europeans
did. And they can't come back here and pretend the
land was empty for 2,000 years. There are people
here, a whole nation. They have to respect that."

And one from a Jewish man who said, "The
Palestinians need to recognize that we are not an
invading force. We are simply returning home and
they need to respect our right to do it."

So I agree with both.

But anyhow, I hope in Cyprus families will be
allowed to return to their homes. They need to
recognize that religion is not the deciding factor as
well. There are many Muslim Greeks who are now
considered, and even consider themselves, as
Turks in Cyprus. There are also many Orthodox
Christians who are Turkish but now live with and
consider themselves Greek.

It seems so weird to me, that. We don't have that
situation in Bosnia at all. We are Muslim, what some
here would call "Turkish", but everyone knows we're
the same Slavs who came here in the 6th century,
we didn't come here in 1467. There are many
Muslims in Cyprus who have the same history.

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http://atcanews.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=vi ew&id=341&Itemid=1

The above is a link for an English version of this story.

My personal opinion on this topic is that any SOUTH Cypriot that has land in the TRNC should be able to find land belonging to a Turkish Cypriot in South Cyprus (ofcourse of equivelent value). If the owner of the land (Turkish or South Cypriot) desides that they do not want to exchange then they should be offered a fair price. Thus in this way neither Turkish or South Cypriot will have any links with the neighbour country.

I hope we can settle all these silly disputes. So that we may live in peace and freindship as two independent nations.

                           

Peace and independence for the Republic of South Cyprus

Peace and independence for the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus

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My opinion is that Cypriots should lead the way to overall GreKo/Turkish relations. Division of the island would not be the answer, while locking out greeks from the ancient lands would definatly not be the peaceful answer.

 Peace on the island can only be achieved by a acceptable justice for both sides and not imposed by the situation that was born out of aggression (greek and turkish) that still divides the two communities. Preservations of each others rights, one vote for one person, a unified structure that accepts difference and no foreign occupation for dignities sake, is the only way forward.

Division of the island,would be the most stupid political movement since the time of the apes......

Com'on, you know exactly what I'm talking about. There is no way you could have forgotten about the military troops in the Northern part of the island, unless you actually don't live there..

So you allowed the HC to VISIT their homes, the same homes that were taken from them by force, the very same homes that have been left in decay, (not to mention the destroyed properties) since the TC aren't allowed to repair them (I see no other reason to not even paint them after 30 years, see BBC ). Well sorry but I see nothing to feel thankfull about nor anything to be considered a 'good will' action.

Peace has been proven to be accomplished without any great separation plan being put in action and of course NOT thanks to the ILLEGAL Turkish troops that continue to occupy the island, in total disrespect to all the international resolutions demanding their withdrawal.

Proof is the 15.000 (yes 15 thousand ) TC that pass the 'border' each and every day to work on the HC side. Even more proof is the village of Pyla where Cypriots of both ethnic origin, live together in peace.
But that wouldn't suit the separation cause, so we keep it a secret and speak of interest in the minority's security and fear of some alleged  extermination..

Finally "sharing a land mass" isn't actually the correct definition of what we see here. Share means " To allow someone to use or enjoy something that one possesses" (dictionary.com)
Do we see the HC being ALLOWED to enjoy what is ILLEGALLY in the possesion of the TC ???
I'd say no..
So we definitely can't speak of sharing.. it would be similar to saying that the Israelis shared Gaza with the Palestinians without any mention of the concrete walls nor the electric fences

There is nothing funny about kicking out these people from the ancestral lands

Shall i tell you what is funny. Its funny how you keep mentioning Cyprus as your anciant land. The original inhabitants of Cyprus were from Anatolia and Syria. Lets call the Syrians to take Cyprus since its their ancestrial land.

Your right, there is nothing funny about kicking people out from their land, however these measures must be done when ethinic cleanising is happening.

There is nothing just or equal about that logic, but please explian why the greek cypriots should accept this? would you accept your home to be lived in by another family? honest answer would be good right now......

You want an honest answer well then ofcourse, as a Muslim i will give you an honest answer. My family prior to the war of 74' lived in what is now the Republic of South Cyprus. In a village near the town known as Limassol (Leymosun), due to the war they moved to Guzelyurt (Morphou eng./Omorphu gre.). Greeks are currently living in my families property. I have no problem with this, as long as my family get properly compensated. If the Greeks are unfairly compensated then ofcourse i will say that should be fairly compensated.

Either way Nth cyprus dont have the right or power to ask the Turkish military to leave. If your a "independant" country then defend yourselves. Turkish/kurdish migrants from the mainland will eventually be majority in the north, so turkish cypriots are already being invaded and swollowed

Why would i want the Turkish Republics army to leave? They are more than welcome. They saved the Turkish Cypriots from ethnic cleanising. Without this army i would either not have been born or been raised as a Orthodox Christion. No offence, but no thank you.

Turks from the mainland want to live in Cyprus, well why not? They are Turks just as i am. Many Turkish Cypriots went to live in Anatolia so why not the other way round. Invaded by Turkey. Isnt it the Turkish Republic that ollowed the 'Turkish Fedrated State of Cyprus' to become independent in 1983?

we agree on this, except I talk about living together and you talk of seperation

Maybe Turkey and Greece should be united!!!

 

I ask you this, why should the Turks and Greeks live as one country in Cyprus. What do they have in commen?

Is it their religion? NO

Is it their language? NO

Is it their ethnicity? NO

Is it their culture? NO

 

Originally posted by Leonidas I ask you this, why should the Turks and Greeks live as one country in Cyprus. What do they have in commen? They share a relatively peaceful history on the island together for aslong as the turkish* have migrated there. Only to be divided, no suprise, when the british ruled. Turkish cypriots even sometimes joined their christian neighbours in uprising agianst the ottomans.

Well. Which peace are you talking about?

Greek and Turkish Cypriots have made an agreement which is called London-Zurich Treaty in 1960. This was the founding treaty of Cyprus as an independent state and the Cyprus constitution has been based on this treaty.

But president of Cyprus called Makarios who was a priest had demolished the Cyprus constitution in 1963 and Greek Cypriots have denied all rights of Turks which were given in London - Zurich Treaty.

The tension between the two community has been increased after this.

Until 1974, Turks' lands have been expropriated by unlawful Greek Cypriot government which is a continuation of today's Cyprus governmet. Between 1963 - 1974 thousands of Turkish civilians have been massacred by unlawful Greek Cypriot government.

In 1974 summer a coup d'etat has been organized by Greek military who was ruling Greece. This junda has ruled Greece between 1967 - 1974. Their aim was to annex Cyprus with Greece. Turkey, as being a guarantor state of Cyprus, has intervened the situation.

Because of Greece we lost more than 500 soldiers to preserve our rights and save Turkish Cypriots. It did not take long this operation for Turkey but how can we compensate the lost lives? You are talking about lands now..... But can you give us back our lost lives?

After all Turks have nothing to trust Greeks. It is almost impossible to live together for both communities. After refusing the United Nations plan by Greek side, the best thing is to be seperated.   

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