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    Posted: 24-Nov-2005 at 11:26
Originally posted by Genghis Khan II


3. (addon) I am not alowed to prove Genisis or god because I would be kicked off this forum. (But I am looking for one forum I found [but lost] where I can do that because that is the entire pourpose of the forum: Creation v Evolution.)




By the powers invested in me as forum moderator, I give thee permission to prove Genesis in the new forum which I will start for that purpose

So we are waiting for your proof, GKII.
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I always figured Genesis to be metaphorical, albeit with much divine interference. I'd be interested to hear of anyone's view on the subject.
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It's evident that Genesis is pure truth: it is in the Bible. Reasoning:

Axiom 1: God exists (self defined)
Axiom 2: God is Truth (self defined)
Axiom 3: The Bible is the Word of God (self defined)
Axiom 4: Genesis is part of the Bible (self defined)
Axiom 5: what opposes truth is false (self defined)

Proposition 1: everything in the Genesis is true.

Demonstration 1: as the Genesis is part of the Bible, it is part of the Word of God (axiom3), which, because the axiom 2, is necessarily true. Therefore the Genesis is true, q.e.d.

Proposition 2: Science is false.

Demonstration 2: Science contradicts the Bible but, we know (demonstration 1) that the Bible is true. As anything oppsed to truth is false (axiom 5), then Science is false, q.e.d.

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Can you do it better, Gengis?

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Book of Jordan 27:3

And Jesus did walk amongst the faithful whereupon he didst happen a f***ing great lizard. And his disiples did show great fear and urged Jesus to hurry away from the dinasaur. But Jesus noticed the creature did weep for it didst hath a thorn in it's foot. So Jesus went over to the T-Rex and Jesus did comfort the creature and removed the thorn from it's foot. And the dinasaur did love Jesus. And the disiples did rejoice.

 

Now lets put this dinasaurs disprove genesis nonsense right away.

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Hey Paul, no need to mock Jesus or act disrespectful towards the Bible.
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Book of Jordan 27:3

Which Jordan would that be? Michael? Louis? Surely not Montell?

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Hey Paul, no need to mock Jesus or act disrespectful towards the Bible.

Thou shalt not mock?

Why not?
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Where is Gengis? 

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Originally posted by Maju

Where is Gengis? 

He's probably found the "other" forum, where they all agree that God created the universe and all us atheists will burn in hell, hallelujah!

Oh well, you can't win them all!

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While waiting for Ghenghis, can I ask thee a question? It has bugged me for ages and none of the priests and theologists I have asked over those ages, has been able to provide a comprehensive (or even cohesive and marginally serious) answer.

The question is this.

The New Testament is the life of Jesus and all and it should be the holy book of the christianity. But what is the Old Testament doing in the Bible? I mean. it's the creation story or a specific ethnic ground and religious text of the same ethnic group. By any means, it should not be there. Why, then, is it? Doesn't it confuse you btw? Who's God? The loving, caring, forgiving one of the New Testament, or the vengeful, wrathful, ruthless of the OT?

 
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Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by Paul

Book of Jordan 27:3

Which Jordan would that be? Michael? Louis? Surely not Montell?



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Originally posted by Belisarius

I always figured Genesis to be metaphorical, albeit with much divine
interference. I'd be interested to hear of anyone's view on the subject.


If there was any divine interference, it was all down to the angelic Gabriel. After he left, it all went downhill.

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Guys,

I don't think Ghenghis will post on this thread, not after you all ganged up on him in this (quite funny) manner. He knows that a tidal wave of criticism awaits him if he proves his theories.

Cheers,

As i lift my glass of brnnvin. 
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No Genghis II proof of Genesis?

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Awwww, I was holding my breath... I couldn't sleep because of the excitement, and now he's not going to show us heathens the way?
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Hmm... will someone bother answering my question? Or are we all atheists/not practicing?

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Originally posted by Alkiviades

While waiting for Ghenghis, can I ask thee a question? It has bugged me for ages and none of the priests and theologists I have asked over those ages, has been able to provide a comprehensive (or even cohesive and marginally serious) answer.

The question is this.

The New Testament is the life of Jesus and all and it should be the holy book of the christianity. But what is the Old Testament doing in the Bible? I mean. it's the creation story or a specific ethnic ground and religious text of the same ethnic group. By any means, it should not be there. Why, then, is it? Doesn't it confuse you btw? Who's God? The loving, caring, forgiving one of the New Testament, or the vengeful, wrathful, ruthless of the OT?



Ah! Good question. Ask the Pope: he has direct line with Heaven.

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Originally posted by Alkiviades

Hmm... will someone bother answering my question? Or are we all atheists/not practicing?

i'm a church-going Catholic but not a theology expert, but maybe i can answer. Jesus saved the souls of all of mankind, so maybe God changed his attitude towards us after Jesus. and, technically, i don't know if he even became all-loving then, it might be a more recent change. throughout the dark ages and through the Reformation, God was still seen as somethign to be feared, not exactly loved. people seemed to go to church out of fear of being smited and damned.

so, God got nicer after Jesus, people just didn't realize this until recently
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Originally posted by Alkiviades

The New Testament is the life of Jesus and all and it should be the holy book of the christianity. But what is the Old Testament doing in the Bible? I mean. it's the creation story or a specific ethnic ground and religious text of the same ethnic group. By any means, it should not be there. Why, then, is it? Doesn't it confuse you btw? Who's God? The loving, caring, forgiving one of the New Testament, or the vengeful, wrathful, ruthless of the OT?

I'm surprised you haven't heard a coherent answer.  It is an essential part of Christianity: Jesus brought about a New Covenant, which fulfills the Old.  The Old is there as God's plan to anticipate and prepare for the New, so that when Jesus incarnated, the stage is set ready for him so to speak.  God wants to reveal the truth incrementally through mysteries, prefigurations, and signs.  He wants to thereby prepare a world to which the Savior can visit and carry out his works.

However, if you smell something fish about the apparent contradictions between the Old Testament and the New Testament, you're probably right -- the incongruence between the Old Testament and the New Testament is one reason I left Christianity for intellectual reasons.  Sometimes it almost feels like the Christians forcefully merged two sets of books together, whilst these two sets contain many contradictory things.


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