Historical maps of Bulgaria

Originally posted by Menumorut Seems that vlachs were quite majoritary then.

Edited by The Chargemaster - 05-Jun-2006 at 06:04

Uhm, I see quotes from the Wiki about the "Vlach-Bulgarian empire". But it should be noted that this topic is also not very clear and extremely disputable. F.e. it's not clear if the term Vlach had at that time a purely ethic meaning or did it mean simply "mountaineer, shepherd". Another question is the following - the Byzantines (I forgot exactly who, was it Choniates or Akropolit) say that the Vlachs called themselves before Moesians and now adopted the name Vlachs (and, of course, they could've used Vlach in some sort of typical Greek contempt). But we know that Moesians was the old name, used by the Byzantines, for the Bulgarians from Danubian Bulgaria, region Moesia, at that time - Paristrion theme. On the other hand there was the theme Bulgaria, which included the lands to the west of Moesia/Paristrion, in modern Macedonia and Sofia and Bdin regions. Of course, the people from this theme were called Bulgarians, but how were called the people from the Paristrion theme? All in all, a lot of questions in a typical Balkan mess, from which you become even more confused than before! And nothing's certain...

Uhm, I see quotes from the Wiki about the "Vlach-Bulgarian empire". But it should be noted that this topic is also not very clear and extremely disputable. F.e. it's not clear if the term Vlach had at that time a purely ethic meaning or did it mean simply "mountaineer, shepherd". Another question is the following - the Byzantines (I forgot exactly who, was it Choniates or Akropolit) say that the Vlachs called themselves before Moesians and now adopted the name Vlachs (and, of course, they could've used Vlach in some sort of typical Greek contempt). But we know that Moesians was the old name, used by the Byzantines, for the Bulgarians from Danubian Bulgaria, region Moesia, at that time - Paristrion theme. On the other hand there was the theme Bulgaria, which included the lands to the west of Moesia/Paristrion, in modern Macedonia and Sofia and Bdin regions. Of course, the people from this theme were called Bulgarians, but how were called the people from the Paristrion theme? All in all, a lot of questions in a typical Balkan mess, from which you become even more confused than before! And nothing's certain...

In my knowledge, the term "vlach" was never used else than as an ethnonime.

What a Byzantine sayed about something in a past epoch is very prezumable to be fake. The Byzantines almost always were making fantastic afirmations about the past. They were not having real information sources.

But when a Byzantine (or other people) says about somebody that they are vlachs, is very clear that he refers to a Latin speaking population. You could ask about this any historian.

Well, one other meaning can be, that in this case, the termin "vlachs" maybe is used not about some vachian population in Hemus mountain, but only about the leaders of that uprising Asen and Petar.

I think that Wikipedia article is made of the study of the original documents and the sense of the article is clear and is not what you say.
In this article the Vlachs appears as the population from Haemus mountains and the fact that they could go to founding a so called 'empire' proves that they were numerous and could rival with the Slav speaking people in Bulgaria.

the town of Cernavoda - in bulgarian "Cherna voda" means "black water" the ruler Radu Praznaglava - in bulgarian "Prazna glava" means "Empty head"

Cernavoda is on the place of the ancient Greek-Roman town of Axiopolis.

I know that in ancient Greek language, Axeinos means "dark coloured" so Cernavoda could be a translation of that name.




Edited by Menumorut - 05-Jun-2006 at 16:29

Originally posted by Menumorut I know that in ancient Greek language, Axeinos means "dark coloured" so Cernavoda could be a translation of that name.

 AFAIK "Axeinos" is a term replacing an earlier Iranian word meaning "dark". But for Greeks it seems it ment "inhospitable" (as in Pontos Axeinos).

Originally posted by Menumorut Than the name Cerna Voda could be the translation of another ancient name or an original Bulgarian toponime. Axiopolis was an important ancient city, here was placed the Roman commercial fleet on Danube. In prehistory here was discovered the famous "Thinker" statuette. In 10th century AD a medieval city was founded and a stone with the name of "Rotislav" was discovered from that time.

http://www.allempires.com/

Originally posted by Menumorut Cernavoda is on the place of the ancient Greek-Roman town of Axiopolis.I know that in ancient Greek language, Axeinos means "dark coloured" so Cernavoda could be a translation of that name.

Ok, but guess who translated it.
     

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Bulgaria-SanStefano_-%281878%29-byTodorBozhinov.png

http://www.uoregon.edu/~kimball/images/1878mr.SanStef.map3.jpg

Greco,the last map there are very mistakes.The region that I live(Southwest)there are no one muslim,but the region is painted in red.It is a big noncense.This map is false!!!


Edited by Red_Lord - 06-Sep-2006 at 08:52