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What happend to the Nogai?

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    Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 03:17

Does anyone have any information on the Nogai Horde?

What area did they occupy from the 15th century to the invasion of the Kalmyks when they moved to the Black Sea coast?

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  Quote theauxphou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 10:54

Hi, found this for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nogais

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Originally posted by theauxphou

Hi, found this for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nogais

Thanks for the link.

I have managed to piece together this so far:

White Horde around 1358-61 splits into:
Sag Kol, Right Flank (Crimea) Presumably this becomes Crimean Horde and White Nogai (not sure about the Nogai)
Sol Kol, Left Flank (Syr Darya area)

Sol Kol splits later (not sure of when) into Qara Nogai supporters and Shaybanid supporters

Qara Nogai at this point controls Otrar etc and the Area N and NW of Aral Sea.
Shaybanid supporters consist of:
Sibir (Bashkirs and Tobol basin)
Shaybanids (Eastern Kazakhstan)

The Shaybanids take over Syr Darya basin in the 1430s and advance south eventually being held back by the Mughals and the Safavids

Kazakhs rebel from Shaybanids around 1456-1466 and enter the "protection" of the Chagatai, who at this time control Moghulistan and Kashgaria. They take over Moghulistan in 1465. The Kazakhs expand from Moghulistan to Ural river, along Syr Darya (between 1488-1518). The Kazakhs are forced to abandon Moghulistan due to pressure from the Kalmyk section of the Oirats in 1599. The Kalmyks reach the Ural&Volga river in 1616 after smashing through the Volga Nogai and the Kazakh Lesser Horde. Kazakh Horde fall apart under Kalmyk Oirat pressure, eventually falling completly under Oirat control (1652-80). Kazakhs rebel (?) from the Oirats, leading to a new Oirat invasion (1681-1684). The Kazakhs eventually manage to defeat the Oirat, and go on the offensive invading Jungaria (1711-1712). 1718 Oirats conquer area north of Lake Balkash from Kazakhs. 1723 Oirats attack the Kazakhs again. The Oirat threat vanishes with the Qing annihilation of the Jungars around 1757-58.


Nogai are under Kazak pressure (pressing them out of Kazakstan) for a long time. The Russians cut Nogai in half in 1558. Kalmyks defeat the Volga Nogai in 1612. In 1630 Kalmyks take what is now Kalmykia and push the White Nogai (Aq Nogay Orda) into the Black Sea area. The Kalmyks push Nogai out from the area between Ural and Volga rivers in 1643. Nogai in the area flee either west to Crimea (???), Black Sea coast (Aq Nogay Orda) or remained in area around Aral sea (Kyzyl Nogay Orda). I suppose the Qara Nogay Orda remain in area east of the Ural river, but under Kazakh control.

Is the above accurate? If not what is wrong?

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  Quote Anbalan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 13:30
In North Caucasus Nogai lived under mountains from 15th to maybe 17th century. There is minor Nogai population in Dagestan, Chechnya and less in Ossetia. By Ossetian tales Nogai dominated valley once before Kabardians. They were later pushed by Kabardians to North-East. It was a legend the Nogai khan fell in love to wife of a Kabardian duke, his best friend. The woman was an Ossetian of gender of Dedekati. The Kabardian duke once asked his friend why he was always so sad and took oath on Koran to do everything he could do his friend would wish to make him happy. After the duke has to give up his wife, but he didn't want such a sacrifice. I don't remember details, but his wife advised him how to cheat his friend. They faked divorce and during marriage with the khan, the duke kidnapped her. It was a war between Kabardinians and Nogai. Many Ossetians (mostly Digors) helped Kabardinians and they defeated the Nogai. Later Digor Ossetians moved on valley and founded Chikola, which was Nogai village Uch Kala. They tell once a Nogai man came to Chikola and said "I want to live here. Do Dedekati live here?". The villagers said that Dedekati live in the village. The man said nothing, turned his horse and rode away. There are many stories about Nogai in Ossetia.

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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 13:33

German wikipedia had a map:

there was also the Budzhak Tatars that settled between Danube and Dniestr (todays southern Moldawia), who are supposed to be an offshot of the Nogais. in general, Nogais were refered to as the gypsies amongst the Tatars and would have been found everywhere along the territory of the former Golden Horde...

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 19:58

I have read that parts of the Nogai, Astrakhan and the Bashkirs all fell under the control of the Russians around 1556-1558.

What was the relationship between Astrakhan, Bashkirs and the Nogai?

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  Quote Anbalan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 08:00
As I know (but I don't know much), the Nogai Horde was part of the Golden Horde. When Russians fight Astrachan and Kazan, the Horde already didn't exist. The Golden Horde was nearly destroyed by Temur (Tamerlan) in the end of 14-nth. Tamerlan fought the Horde in three military actions and defeated Tatamysh, the Khan of Golden Horde. He also defeated some of aliance of the Horde, Alans, Kasogs, etc. Tamerlan was very cruel despot as he usually killed most part of population of defeated countries and destroyed cities. After Tamerlan's invasion the Golden Horde collapsed and devided in several hordes, such as Kazan, Astrachan, Nogai, Crymeria and Siberia. Those states were already weak. The former colonies of the Horde became independent and stopped paying tribute. For example Russia started to fight the Kazan khan-state and in the next century Russians took Kazan city and killed almost all population of the city and destroyed it completely. After that Russians went to Astrachan and took it. In the following century Russians fought Siberian Khan and conquested the country (it was in begining of 17-th). Russians also tried to fight the Crymerian Khan, but failed. Russians had Cherkeses (Adyges) as aliance and they fought Nogai also. That's the story I know. 
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  Quote turkos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Nov-2005 at 06:36

in near story of Nogaies i can say that many of them killed after russian revolution(in the beginnig of 20th century) and they moved to other religions like as Turkey.Now still there are many Nogais in Turkey(about 200.000)if i am not wrong.

i have some links in turkish i will look for english of them..

dont forget all events are repeating
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  Quote Nagyfejedelem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Nov-2005 at 09:20
Nogais lived among the Iaik, Volga and river Emba. The first half of the 16th century was the zenith of the Nogai Horde. But were differences with the Nogais: some exported horses into Russia and some were interested in Central Asia. And the Nogai leaders didn't see the Russian expansion. The consequence of the difference in the Horde was a civil war. Because of this civil war, the starvation and epidemics most of the population of the Nogai Horde died or emigrated. A Nogai group led by Gazi bin Urak settled down in the Caucasus and founded the Small Nogai Horde. And an other Nogai territory near the Volga was called Great Nogai Horde.  Nogais who lived in the Eastern parts of theirs Horde were conquered by the Calmucs. The Great Nogai Hord was occupied by the Russians and was anexed until the 17. century. The only one Nogai town, Saraychuk was bunt by the Cossacks. The Little Nogai Horde under the Crimians and Ottomans saved the Nogai legitimate and culture.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 21:40

Early morning in 1 Octobr 1783. In Kermenchik ,  peaceful camp of Nogays were surrounded by Russian general A.V. Suvorov army of Kuban corpus (15 escadron, 15 artillery), plus 10 division of General Ilovaisko, utterly destroyed. Following winter was hard on Nogays, many died, many escaped to Turkey. Today there are 200000 people related to Nogays.

From 1777 to 1783 Suvorov served in the Crimea and in the Caucasus, during his campaign agains Turks , Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov broke main force pro -ottoman Nogays.

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İn Turkey There are nearly 200.000 Noghai Turks.

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Google a site called Noghay-El, lots of pictures and information of Noghays in Russia.  I think there's probably more Noghay in Turkey than in Russia now.
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