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    Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 11:37
Originally posted by kotumeyil

First flight by a rocket: An Ottoman Turkish scientist Lagari Hasan Chelebi in the 17th century...

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4130& ; ; ;KW=first+flying

No, actually the first flight by a rocket would be in China (fireworks). Also, Conrad Haas invented a 3 stage rocket in 1529 and flew it in 1555 in the presence of thousands of spectators in the town of Sibiu (Romania).

The Romanians also created the first jet engine plane, by Henry Coanada in 1910, and the steam engine automobile in 1880 by Dumitru Vasescu. In 1921, the Romanian Nicolae Paulescu discovered insulin, Banting then used his research and ended up with a Nobel Prize. Among other things, they also came up with the first geriatric institue in the world.

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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 13:47
Originally posted by Decebal

Originally posted by kotumeyil

First flight by a rocket: An Ottoman Turkish scientist Lagari Hasan Chelebi in the 17th century...

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4130& ; ; ; ;KW=first+flying

No, actually the first flight by a rocket would be in China (fireworks). Also, Conrad Haas invented a 3 stage rocket in 1529 and flew it in 1555 in the presence of thousands of spectators in the town of Sibiu (Romania).

The Romanians also created the first jet engine plane, by Henry Coanada in 1910, and the steam engine automobile in 1880 by Dumitru Vasescu. In 1921, the Romanian Nicolae Paulescu discovered insulin, Banting then used his research and ended up with a Nobel Prize. Among other things, they also came up with the first geriatric institue in the world.

But Lagari Hasan Chelebi was inside the rocket and he flew, too! 

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Nation: U.S.

Bill Gates and Paul Allen - founders of Microsoft computer software technology

Jarvik Robert Koffler - inventor of the first artificial heart (jarvik7)

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BBC,  first TV broadcasts
DNA discovery,Francis crack 1953
Steam engine,George stephenson 1829
Telephone,Alexander graham bell 1876
Screw propellor, Robert wilson 1827
Pneumatic tyres,Robert william thompson 1845
Penicillin,Alexander fleming 1928
Radar,Robert watson-watt,1935-40


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  Quote tzar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 04:06
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Originally posted by Thracian

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"Yougurt is a Turkic dish, Bulgars, Turkmens etc. were all contributers of it. Not Bulgarians."

I am sory to ask but are there any sources of proof of this?

Also John Atanasoff was of Bulgarian origin but he made this grand creation in the U.S. and also had an American assistant while building it in Iowa Unvrst.

It where the Volga Bulgars, early Turkic tribe. Now Bulgaria is more slavic then Turkic...

And because now we are most slavic than turkish it's means that yougourt isn't bulgarian?! 

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  Quote Hak-Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2005 at 21:28
Tocharian Turks are well known pioneers of science and tech(especially chem and math) in middle asia, they are known as a first creators of war arts too.



http://www.sciencedaily.com/encyclopedia/tocharians


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 04:30
Tocharians werent Turks, they were IE.
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  Quote Moustafa Pasha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 16:18

 

France's Louis Pasteur was a scientific giant,he believed that his research was enchained to an inescapable forward moving logic. He is the father of microbiology and immunology with the crowning achievement of the germ theory ofdisease.

Links: http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BC/Louis_Pasteur.html

Marie Curie: http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BC/Louis_Pasteur.html

 

 



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  Quote Hak-Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 17:38
Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Tocharians werent Turks, they were IE.


is it a joke? Tarim Basin is a Turkish land(todays Xinjian), and it was their homeland

they were assimilated by Uyghurs in klan wars
(they are known as Buddist Turks in history--"Turfancılar" or "Toharlar")

but their language has some similarities with Indo-Europian languages, you mean that i think
(but dont forget about Buddist effects on Tocharian language)



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  Quote erci Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 17:57
Originally posted by tzar

Originally posted by Kenaney

Originally posted by Thracian

==Oguzoglu

"Yougurt is a Turkic dish, Bulgars, Turkmens etc. were all contributers of it. Not Bulgarians."

I am sory to ask but are there any sources of proof of this?

Also John Atanasoff was of Bulgarian origin but he made this grand creation in the U.S. and also had an American assistant while building it in Iowa Unvrst.

It where the Volga Bulgars, early Turkic tribe. Now Bulgaria is more slavic then Turkic...

And because now we are most slavic than turkish it's means that yougourt isn't bulgarian?! 



bulgarians are slavs or not but since when yogurt is bulgarian?


do a little search on google or yahoo about "key word: Origin of yogurt"


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  Quote Hak-Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 18:01
yoğurt is not bulgarian
its well known turkic word
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  Quote JiNanRen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 18:08
Originally posted by Hak-Khan

Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Tocharians werent Turks, they were IE.


is it a joke? Tarim Basin is a Turkish land(todays Xinjian), and it was their homeland

they were assimilated by Uyghurs in klan wars
(they are known as Buddist Turks in history--"Turfancılar")

but their language has some similarities with Indo-Europian languages, you mean that i think
(but dont forget about Buddist effects on Tocharian language)



Tocharians are IE both physically and linguistically.  They inhabited the Tarim Basin long before the Uyghurs or Chinese came.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 06:02
Right. But I guess he meant they were assimilated in the Uighur society, so their contributions could be included with Uygurs. But not for all Turks for sure.
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  Quote Hak-Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 08:14
Originally posted by JiNanRen



Tocharians are IE both physically and linguistically.  They inhabited the Tarim Basin long before the Uyghurs or Chinese came.


did you see or speak with any Tocharian?, they are not in earth anymore.

there couldnt be any nomadic IE, they were nomadic and warlike people and its the biggest proove that they were Turkic, their language was different becouse they were Buddist people who had taken some culturel knowledges from India

theres so many scientific Tohari(Tocharian) word still using in Turkish now






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  Quote JiNanRen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 09:36
Their language are of the Centum branch of IE, with no affinity with Turkic or Iranic languages except for loan words.  They did however use the Brahmi alphabet.  But the degree of sophistication of Tocharian culture hints that they were sedentary. 

Tocharian vocabulary (sample)
Modern English Tocharian A Tocharian B Ancient Greek Latin Sanskrit *Proto-Indo-European

one
two
three
four
five
six
seven
eight
nine
ten
hundred
father
mother
brother
sister
(horse)
cow
(voice)

sas
wu
tre
śtwar
p
şk
şpt
okt
u
śk
knt
pācar
mācar
pracar
şar
yuk
ko
vak

şe
wi
trai
śtwer
piś
şkas
şukt
okt
u
śak
kante
pācer
mācer
procer
şer
yakwe
keu
vek

heis
dyo
treis
tessares
pente
hex
hepta
okto
ennea
deka
hekaton
pater
meter
(phrater)
(eor)
hippos
bous
(epos)

ūnus
duo
trēs
quattuor
quīnque
sex
septem
octō
novem
decem
centum
pater
mater
frāter
soror
equus
bos
vox

eka
dvi
tri
catur
paca
ṣaṣ
sapta
aṣṭa
nava
daśa
śata
pitṛ
mātṛ
bhrātṛ
svasṛ
aśva
go
vāc

*oinos or *sems
*duwo
*treyes
*qwetwor
*penkwe
*sweks
*septm
*oktou
*newn
*dekm
*kmtom
*p@2ter
*mater
*bhrater
*swesor
*ekwo
*gwou
*wekw




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For literature lovers:

The planet of Saint Exupery's Little Prince, asteroid B-612 was first discovered by a Turkish astronomer

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/chapter4.html

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 18:36

Hak-khan, it is a proven, well known, undiscusable fact that Tocharians were IE. IEs were once nomads too, remember Scythians. Please, make a research in the internet, and you'll se what we mean.

Please hold on to the topic.

What about another Turkish contribution to history, the Ala Turca toilette? It was a revolutionary invention if its age. People used to dig holes in their backyards and shi* in them before that. It was a big step of evolution for sure...

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  Quote Hak-Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 21:19
there cant be any europian in western china(eastern turkistan)

i dont believe this story, i read about them in many books,
if you search their origins in internet, you may only find articles taken from wiki

its a madness to mark them as a europian(even in the Tarim Basin), i have some old-turkic books that writes about their origins
i dont believe what americans wrote becouse i know its one of the anti-turk act too
(only kids believe that story)


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  Quote Hak-Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 21:42
here is about similarities between languages;

http://www.ieed.nl/lubotsky/pdf/turkic-chinese%20in%20toch arian.pdf

but
i cant find any old-turkic document in the net,damn!! i dont believe...they made Tocharians as a europian in a few years
i wont surprise if they claim Turks have a Mexican origins

(i will publish old-turkic books in the net, what a lazybones we are)
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  Quote JiNanRen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 22:32
That document talks about loan words and does not support your claim that Tocharian A or B is related to Turkic languages.  Chinese has many words loaned from Mongolian, Manchu and Sanskrit etc. etc. that doesn't Chinese is related to Sanskrit.
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