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    Posted: 14-Sep-2005 at 14:15
I almost said it . However, some would probably point out the Roman, Turkish and Celtic baths, the American Indian sweat lodge, the Japanese furo, the Russian banja, Mexican temascal etc. (although we know for sure that banja is borrowed from Uralic people ), although the Finns have succesfully adapted the sauna to their modern lifestyle, so one could say sauna in the modern sense.
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And saunas right?
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Finland's contribution:

Xylitol and Margarine . Ironic, the most common cause for deaths in Finland is heart- and circulatory-illnesses, due to unhealthy eating. And then they go and invent these......
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i havent been keeping up with archaelogy but this is acredited material 
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"he Chinese developed saltpeter for use in fireworks and knew of no tactical military use for gunpowder, nor did they invent its formula. Research by Reinuad and Fave have clearly shown that gunpowder was formulated initially by Muslim chemists. Further, these historians claim that the Muslims developed the first fire-arms. Notably, Muslim armies used grenades and other weapons in their defence of Algericus against the Franks during the 14th century. Jean Mathes indicates that the Muslim rulers had stock-piles of grenades, rifles, crude cannons, incendiary devices, sulfur bombs and pistols decades before such devices were used in Europe. The first mention of a cannon was in an Arabic text around 1300 A.D. Roger Bacon learned of the formula for gunpowder from Latin translations of Arabic books. He brought forth nothing original in this regard."

 

Thats completely wrong, firearms were used extensively by the Song, the first mention of cannons used in battle was the Yuan siege of Xiang Yang in the 13th century A.D. And yes, the name Cannon(huo pao) was mentioned. Ming soldiers had 1/5 armed with firearms. Also, if you are not keeping up with Archeology, just a year ago the earliest cannon has been uncovered that date back to around 1280. The earliest Cannon ever found. 
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science and technology are making this world worse and worse day by day... so im really thinking have these nations made a positive or negative contributions??
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Posts: 1494 		  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Sep-2005 at 16:02
Hak-khan, if you want to contribute to the topic, find an undisputed contribution of Turks to science and technology. There are many of them in recent times. Nevermind Tocharians now...
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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Hak-khan, it is a proven, well known, undiscusable fact that Tocharians were IE. IEs were once nomads too, remember Scythians. Please, make a research in the internet, and you'll se what we mean.

Please hold on to the topic.

What about another Turkish contribution to history, the Ala Turca toilette? It was a revolutionary invention if its age. People used to dig holes in their backyards and shi* in them before that. It was a big step of evolution for sure...



their language was IE, but it doesnt mean their origins IE well

in other way some Turks still use Hebrew,Arabian,Russian, Chinese,Indian languages in central asia, but they are not europian,american, or arabian of course
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at last ,

if they were europian
how did they came from Europe into Eastern Turkistan?

everybody knows they were Turkic, their kings have a Turkic names and their lands was in the center of Turkic territory
its a madness that they v marked as a europian
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your sources are about their languages

as i said they were buddist turks and they have a culture like indians.
(i m not in a claim that they didnt speak IE )

give me a source about their origins(i think its not a good idea that they are europian, also Indians and Pakis talks IE too)
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ibni-Sina: he whas the best in everywhere, astronomic, science, mathematics, etcetc

Piri reis; well no need to tell about him, because everyone knows him

 

 
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Here's the definition taken out of a dictionary.

Definitions:
 
1. member of early Chinese people: a member of a Central Asian people who lived in the Tarim Basin in western China before being defeated by the Uigurs during the 9th century ad. They are believed to have spread into China from Eastern Europe.

2. Tocharian language: the extinct language of the Tocharian people. It forms a separate branch of the Indo-European family and shows close resemblances to some western branches of the family.
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Here are some sources

From Berkeley
http://geography.berkeley.edu/ProgramCourses/CoursePagesFA20 02/geog148/Lectures/Lecture21/tocharians/mummies.html

University of Texas
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/iedocctr/ie-lg/Tochar ian.html

http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/IE_Centum_Tocharian.html

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/tocharian.htm



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That document talks about loan words and does not support your claim that Tocharian A or B is related to Turkic languages.  Chinese has many words loaned from Mongolian, Manchu and Sanskrit etc. etc. that doesn't Chinese is related to Sanskrit.
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here is about similarities between languages;

http://www.ieed.nl/lubotsky/pdf/turkic-chinese%20in%20toch arian.pdf

but
i cant find any old-turkic document in the net,damn!! i dont believe...they made Tocharians as a europian in a few years
i wont surprise if they claim Turks have a Mexican origins

(i will publish old-turkic books in the net, what a lazybones we are)
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there cant be any europian in western china(eastern turkistan)

i dont believe this story, i read about them in many books,
if you search their origins in internet, you may only find articles taken from wiki

its a madness to mark them as a europian(even in the Tarim Basin), i have some old-turkic books that writes about their origins
i dont believe what americans wrote becouse i know its one of the anti-turk act too
(only kids believe that story)


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Hak-khan, it is a proven, well known, undiscusable fact that Tocharians were IE. IEs were once nomads too, remember Scythians. Please, make a research in the internet, and you'll se what we mean.

Please hold on to the topic.

What about another Turkish contribution to history, the Ala Turca toilette? It was a revolutionary invention if its age. People used to dig holes in their backyards and shi* in them before that. It was a big step of evolution for sure...
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For literature lovers:

The planet of Saint Exupery's Little Prince, asteroid B-612 was first discovered by a Turkish astronomer

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/chapter4.html
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Their language are of the Centum branch of IE, with no affinity with Turkic or Iranic languages except for loan words.  They did however use the Brahmi alphabet.  But the degree of sophistication of Tocharian culture hints that they were sedentary. 

Tocharian vocabulary (sample)
Modern English Tocharian A Tocharian B Ancient Greek Latin Sanskrit *Proto-Indo-European

one
two
three
four
five
six
seven
eight
nine
ten
hundred
father
mother
brother
sister
(horse)
cow
(voice)

sas
wu
tre
śtwar
p
şk
şpt
okt
u
śk
knt
pācar
mācar
pracar
şar
yuk
ko
vak

şe
wi
trai
śtwer
piś
şkas
şukt
okt
u
śak
kante
pācer
mācer
procer
şer
yakwe
keu
vek

heis
dyo
treis
tessares
pente
hex
hepta
okto
ennea
deka
hekaton
pater
meter
(phrater)
(eor)
hippos
bous
(epos)

ūnus
duo
trēs
quattuor
quīnque
sex
septem
octō
novem
decem
centum
pater
mater
frāter
soror
equus
bos
vox

eka
dvi
tri
catur
paca
ṣaṣ
sapta
aṣṭa
nava
daśa
śata
pitṛ
mātṛ
bhrātṛ
svasṛ
aśva
go
vāc

*oinos or *sems
*duwo
*treyes
*qwetwor
*penkwe
*sweks
*septm
*oktou
*newn
*dekm
*kmtom
*p@2ter
*mater
*bhrater
*swesor
*ekwo
*gwou
*wekw




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Tocharians are IE both physically and linguistically.  They inhabited the Tarim Basin long before the Uyghurs or Chinese came.


did you see or speak with any Tocharian?, they are not in earth anymore.

there couldnt be any nomadic IE, they were nomadic and warlike people and its the biggest proove that they were Turkic, their language was different becouse they were Buddist people who had taken some culturel knowledges from India

theres so many scientific Tohari(Tocharian) word still using in Turkish now






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