Greatest Ottoman Sultan

Murat 2 I love him.  ironically, he didnt want all that power. He didnt want become a Patisah, but I  think he is  one of the best patisah ottomans saw.

On the contrary, Yavuz Sultan Selim provided security for the eastern half of the empire. Not only did he gain territorial expansion at the expense of the Safavids and Mameluks, but he put an end to their schemes of uniting in order to challenge the Ottomans.

By the way, my avatar is a portrait of Selim I

Yeah, Mahmut II did the best thing by destroying the Janissary tradition.

Yavuz tortured Turkmens and exiled them, just because they werent Sunnites. Lots of Turkmens were forcefully converted. Yavuz Selim was a religious dictator, and because he became enemies with, Safavids became more stronger and a rival of Ottoman Empire.

There was a saying, a cursin way of saying "God shall make you the vizier of Yavuz.", because he was a vezier hater, he executed more than ten viziers.

But we cant deny he was a perfect conquerer, he heavily defeated the mameluke State and conquered all their lands, he also heavily defeated the Safavids, and he became the ruler of the Islamic World, the Caliph by conquering all the holy lands. But on the other hand, controlling Arabs was more important for him than Turkmens, his own fellow people.

we had a thread about this sometime ago

anyway i think Orkhan was the best because he was like the co-founder of this empire and he didnt kill his brother after he became Begh.

the worse will be Salim who was no different from Timurlenk

Selim is not timurlenk, this is too much for him. Oguzoglu because  of your religious sect,you have no right to blame someone. Why dont you also say, this turkmens rebelled,  they joined with iran? It was them who attacked turks before.

Azimuth why do you think  selim was like timurlenk?

he didnt killed his father(He took throne  without killing) and I dont think killing brother is uncommon for ottomans.(Specially after his brothers rebelled)

 he had one son only and sent him to be a governor far from istanbul.

this  is not uncommon for ottomans to, aim of this  is to make new patisah more experienced.  IIRC he sent his son to trabzon, where he ruled before. When this tradition stoped,  we  saw more disqualified patisahs.

he was paranoid, and add to all that he killed the last Abbasids Caliph egypt and assumed that he is the Caliph and took Prophet's belongings ( the one in Top Kapi Saray now) from the Caliph in Egypt.

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Acording to my  source, he didnt killed last Abbasids Caliph , He just get name of caliph and I dont  see much different If Prophet's belongings, stay at kahire or Istanbul.

Mortaza,

My believs doesnt shape my political/historical opinions unlike the %34 of my country. I am not a very religious person at all. But it's right that Yavuz Selim had faulty actions against Turkmens.

The Ottomans had accepted Sunni Islam in the 13th century as a means to unifying their empire, and later proclaimed themselves its defenders against the Safavid Shia state and related heretical sects. This created a gap between the Sunni Ottoman ruling elite and the Alevi Anatolian population. Anatolia became a battlefield between Safavids and Ottomans, each determined to include it in their Empire. Ismail instigated a series of revolts culminating in a general Anatolian uprising against the Ottomans, whose Sultan Bayezid mounted a major expedition 1502-1503 which pushed the Safavids and many of their Turkmen followers into Iran. His successor, Sultan Selim I "The Grim", launched a vigorous campaign into eastern Anatolia, utilising a religious edict condemning Alevis as apostates to massacre many. In the summer of 1514 Selim launched another offensive and won the major battle of Chaldiran on the eastern side of the Euphrates, convincing the Safavids to avoid open conflict with the Ottomans for the next century, and enabling him to overcome the last independent Turkmen dynasties in eastern Anatolia in 1515-1517.

Suleyman the magnificent also ruthlessly suppressed Safavid supporters in eastern Anatolia leading three campaigns into northwest Iran. Finally in 1555 the peace of Amasya recognised Ottoman rule over Iraq and Eastern Anatolia and Iranian rule over Azerbaijan and Caucasia.

The Kizilbash in Anatolia were now militarily, politically and religiously separated from their source in Iran, retreated to isolated rural areas and turned inward, developing their unique structures and doctrines. Following the severe persecution and massacres by the Ottomans which went on into the 18th century, Alevis went underground using taqiya, religious dissimulation permitted by all Shi`a groups, to conceal their faith (pretending to be Sunnis) and survive in a hostile environment. Kizilbash and Bektashis shared common religious beliefs and practices becoming intermingled as Alevis in spite of many local variations. Isolated from both the Sunni Ottomans and the Twelver Shi`a Safavids, Alevis developed traditions, practices, and doctrines by the early 17th century which marked them as a closed autonomous religious community. As a result of the immense pressures to conform to Sunni Islam, Alevis developed a tradition of opposition to all forms of external religion.

But on the other hand, Ottoman Empire was built on the philosophies of Bektashi, because as you know, Osman Begh and his family was also Turkmens, from Kayi of Oguz. Until the reign of Selim Khan, the Bektashi and Alevi shaped all the actions of the Empire, and we can easily say they were the ones who created the Ottoman identity.

well i dont know what are your sources but AFAIK he forced his father to step down and then killed him, and he killed the last Abbasidds Caliph who by the way wasn't holding any political power or anything.

and i think Prophet's belongings are not supposed to be in Cairo nither in Stanbul they belong to Madina.

i dont know is this a common Turkish thing to consider everything Arabs say is about Arabs?

The prophet lived and died in that Area so i think his sowrds and everything else which used to be his are supposed to be in his house in Medina inside his Mosque  Not in a museum.