Greatest Ottoman Sultan

Originally posted by HulaguHan Yes I know, but really, in the late discussions here, we Turks were really pissed of with Iranic nationalists who claimed our people to be of Iranian heritage, like Seljuks,  Safavids, Azeris, Afsarids, etc...

Well, as I always say, do not be easily provoked. There are Iranian nationalist who claims everything is Iranian, including Safavids, Seljuks...etc and there are also Turks who are ultra nationalist too, just check "the kurd" thread and you will see couple who claimed Salahaddin to be a Turk!.

Just cool down, because you actually ended up addressing me ,the wrong person, for their nationalist claims.

I agree with Seko.

Hulagu Han, I never said Safavid are Iranians. If you mean describing the battle of Merv where I came across the word "Iranians", then that is something else. The fact that the Safavid dynasty were Turks doesn't mean their army is a turk. They were mostly Shia Iranians.

Check again the post please.

Originally posted by �ok ge� Yes, Safavid are Turks, however ethnicity was not an issue those days more than the rise of Shi'ism and the battles between the two major Muslim sects.

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If Safavids are Iranians, with that logic Ottomans are Greco-Romans Mameluke Turks are not Turks but Arabs.

Actually there is no proof that Shah Ismail I, the founder of the Safavid dynasty, is a descendant of the prophet (PBUH). Many before him and after him claimed the same. From the Fattimid of Egypt to Saddam Hussien.

Yes, Safavid are Turks, however ethnicity was not an issue those days more than the rise of Shi'ism and the battles between the two major Muslim sects.  He definitely restricted the Ottoman Empire focus on conquering Europe.

He is definitely a brilliant leader,  as in 1510, Isma'il In battle near the city of Merv, some 17,000 Iranians ambushed and defeated a superior Uzbek force numbering 28,000.  However, he was ruthless too. After the Uzbek ruler Muhammad Shaybani was caught and killed trying to escape the battle, and the shah had his skull made into a jeweled drinking goblet.

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Originally posted by Evrenosgazi This words are for the camel rider al-Badawi.You little camel rider.How can you any lesson to the Turks.First give the lesson to the 3 million �sraeli.

One advice: Learn to control your temper. Don't be easily provoked by non-sense fools.

You just acted as fool as him. He generalized, causing some neutral turks to get upset, and you repeated his mistake, causing the same damage on the other side.

I would go with Sulyman the magnificent. Definitely the empire will go to decay after him, because his reign was the heights of the Ottoman Empire in all times.

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   This words are for the camel rider al-Badawi.You little camel rider.How can you any lesson to the Turks.First give the lesson to the 3 million �sraeli.I dont understand your Turk paranoya.Did your mother tell anything about Turks?Be calm go to a doctor for your paranoya or aTurk will be your doctor.And you arabs know how Turks are.(11th-20th century.)There will be no British,�ndian soldiers

Azimuth, you cant blame Ottomans because of respecting other swords too. Swords were always holy and respectable for Turks, since the times in Central Asia. As we have a term, about the three most important things in a Turk's lile "at, avrat, kilich (silah)", meaning "horse, woman, sword". It was like a preIslamic cult, and it doesnt mean we were unrespectable t Islamic treasures.

Azimuth I told you dont accuse the Druz and their godfather Alhakem beamr allah they are less than minority they are not ismaali too,I wrote the link,I didn't said you protect the family only but all wahhabies by saying you cant pray near graves even sunnies do this in Iraq and  all other islamic country except Saudi arabia,I don't call the sunnies wahhabies you are wrong there is huge different,If you simply accused the shia you accept when anyone said the sunnies are terrorists or they killed grandson of the prophet or they hitted the trade center in Newyurk or they are responsible in London blast or  they killed innocent people now in Iraq but i cant do that because it is not fair.

We should take that sword back, If only Haffez al Assad had been a Sunni, and not a socialist alawi we would have taught those turks a lesson.

Hafez Assad is an Alevi. But it wouldnt make any difference if he was a Sunni, Shia, Naqshibendi, Ajzumendi etc. Any Arab states isnt capable of showing us any lesson. If we suddenly decide to collect all the water of ephesus in the barrage of Ataturk, 2/3 of Syria would die in one week because of thirst...

Anyway, Syria became our ally with Iran now, so we wont need to cause them die of thirst...

Azmith, Can you tell me are there Turkish soldiers guarding a Mosque/Grave in syria still?

Which one do you mean?

If so these men should be whipped by a camels whip and driven before donkeys all the way back to anatolia

So try it, then we will turn all Syrian population to fallahs...

it is true that Ottoman "took" these stuff from the Memluks  But they were with the Arab Caliph ( Caliph just by titile without any power) and not with the Memluk sulatn.

The Caliph being an Arab, Azeri or Fin doesnt matter. Also, Mamelukes didnt leave those stuff in Medine, they took them to Egypt, so their action had no difference from Ottomans. It was like a flag race.

the Ottomans ( Salem) took them from the Caliph and killed the Caliph and before that he ordered the Caliph to give the title to him ( salem)

Yeah, I agree with you on that point. Killing the Caliph was a violent action.

plus all that the Ottomans had another sowrd which they consider holy and that didnt belog to the prophet or caliph Ali

Which one is that?