Turkoman In Iraq

In Hewlir (Irbil) there are some schools that Turkmen language is compulsory along with kurdish, and Turkmen front protest it because they want Anatolian Turkish and Arabic be thaught there.

Turkmens have a local channel too,again turkmen front say that they are puppets of kdp and it is just a tool for kdp propaganda.

Baracuda

There is two part in your message:

Historical:

I realy don�t understand what do you want to say? People of turkey are originated from various ethnic background and suddenly considered to call themselves Turk, so what? Are they greek or Hittits?

There were many people, these two country were empires that ruled many areas and many people.

You mean Badr khan ruler of Butan province, his ancestors ruled Butan (Or jazir) from end of 14th century as vassals of mamaliks and then othmans, in 1843 he considered himself �king of Kurdistan� and in 1847 he was defeated.his grand sons were very active in KhoyBun .
Kurdistan is a geographical name with ambiguous boundary not name of a state or country.(from historical point of view)

well in your view yes, but in reality no.
first Armenian: completely forget about them.
Second Arabs: well in the years of Islam there may be some arab tribes that lived in between kurds and later kurdified, but there is no doubt that number of Arabized kurds are far more.
Turks: You are not serious this is impossible, There are Azeries that lived for generations in Tehran and still when want to say how are you they say �najesan?� and they are assimilated by kurds!!!! come on, there are many turkified kurds in Iran , but except one unique example I don�t know a Kurdified turk tribe .Actually assimilating the turks is very difficult except using saddam methods.(not advisable by any means)

This is political and will be answered in poltical section.

Politics:

First of all I have no idea about your country and as I said I don�t believe the pictures that internet and media want to make from your country, So don�t expect me to judge correctly about Kurdish issue in your country.
Second those statistics that are given about population growth of kurds , must be accepted with a grain of salt.
I remember when I was teen age In kayhan one of most hardline newspaper of the Iran,(It was called Tribune of Ministry of intelligence) I read a funny article, (it was the time that relation of two country was very bad).in that article it was predicted that population of Alavies in Turkey by the end of 2030 will surpass the population of sunnies (kurds and Turks) and Turkey became a Shii country and Iran Syria Iraq Lebanon Turkey and Azerbaijan will create a Shii bloc. Even  at that time I could find that the respected writer hypothesized that population growth rate remained unchanged for the next 35 years. These are jokes and must not be taken seriously.

Land claim? Who claimed land? Pkk ? who are Pkk? Three or four thousand gurillas that wander through mountains and one time a week attack some poor conscript soldiers or gendarmes and ran away from commandoes or even local militias, Are they security threat?
Land claim in Iran? Up until now even in 1945 in mahabad republics never Iranian kurds didn�t dare to declare independence.
In Iraq? Well if you look back at the history of Iraq , you see that the problem of federal Kurdistan has existed from the time of independence, 1926,1931-33, 1958, 1970-1974 , in the middle 80s so It is not a new thing in Iraq.
In Syria? Come on!!!!!!!!

I don�t know what do you mean by having right on land? Independence? You know except Iraq in other parts it is science fiction , in Iraq the problem is different, British had a principle, Mosul must not go back to turkey so It must be independent or it add to Iraq as a federal state, Iraq�s current situation dates back to 80 years ago.

very good , so if you have been in Othman archives , you can read Turko-arabic scripts and are familiar with foreign words in Othman texts, So I hope you can access to 'Qamus al alam� by shamseddin sammi a great Othman explorer.I think it was printed in late of 19th century. I personally didn�t see this book but there are many references to this book, I think its not bad to have a look for it, specially kirkuk.

Baracuda

I again  must rearrange your quotes to separate political and historical ones.

First lets start with badr khan , Bohtan Emirate (also called Jazir emirate) .
History of this emirate is written in sharafname-e-Betlisi . origins of this family and and list of emirs of this dynasty is completely mentioned in this book. They were first a  yazidi tribe and then converted to Islam and then became ruler of Jazir.

If you look at recent sources like jauber 1807,(Voyage en Armenie et en Perse) or older books Foma Metsopi in the beginning of the 15th century,(a reference for the history of eastern Anatolia from 1400-1430),You�ll see that Armenian lived in the areas that kurds lived, by in separate communities, as a rule all Armenians were sedenatary people , but kurds all were nomads or lived in cities(as companions of the ruler) only kurds of around Mosul , Shahrizor or Iran had a sedentary life.(agriculture)

So what about the mentioning of kurds in Karanamak of Ardashir papakan , Or long part of Shahnameh which deals with origin and history of kurds,(zahhak kingdom) What about wars in begings of Islam between kurds and Arabs? What about Kurdish uprisning against arabs in Halvan, mosul in 9th century?

You mean 950 years I think

First of all Wolf is Qurt in Azeri and I think the same is in Turkmen and in Anatolian Turkish it became Kurt,
Second I thaught you were not serious about this issue, and It was a kind of joke, BTW all the sources that I gave you, are before coming Turks in region So this theory is invalid.
About overlapping the aeras yes before 16th century , Kurds and Turkmans lived together, just in mountainous areas kurds were more predominant and Turkmans in plains (What I have found for example there is no Turkish tribe in Hakkari or Rwanduz or soran in history books,Or there is no mention of kurds in regions like Urfa)after 16th century and massacare of alavies by Othman sultans and then Jalali uprising that kurds helped othmans to suppress them, Turkmen role decreased significantly both in eastern Anatolia and Iraq.

One more point is that what is your theory about appearing the Kurdish language If you know Persian and surely are familiar (at least a bit) with kurdish  you know that difference between Kurdish and Persian is far far more than difference between Turkmen language and Anatolian Turkish (which separated from each other 1000 years ago)  So what is origin of this language, and then what is origin of Zazas (which they have their own language) how did they appear, and unlike kurds, we have no mention of them because they are  always they classified as kurds?

Well the rest is Politics:

I told you Kurdistan if a historical geographical region, A name at least with 9 century history but with vague boundaries, At old times it was different from old Armenia (so you could be happy that in Turkey you would only face with weaker Armenians!!)but on the other hand it included many regions of northern Iraq (which is now nobody accepts as Kurdish region), the only clear border is given by Jauber which used Othman knowledge, refer to his book.
Recent maps well I think you must not show too sensitivity to that, It is more or less want to show the distribution of kurds, and because in your country after Othman empire there has never been an ethnic based statistics, it is a kind of imagination or old dataes, and until there is not such a statistics,(which I think in Iran and Turkey there would never be, just my personal view) these maps appear and they necessarily does not show real, they must not be taken seriously and must be remembered it is not a land claim, we have many of these kind of maps in Iran for kurds, Lurs Azeries, baluches, Turkmens �and all of them overlap with each other very much,�

Well according to your data, we have a loop here, non development create hard line groups and hard liners try to keep the condition in tention to remain it in backwardness. People who have nothing to lose are easy prey for extremists.
On the other hand by combining it with our conditions In Iran, I can see that we will have a storm of immigrants from those areas who have no skills and came in big cities and usually fell in traps of Gangs and Mafia , this will create a very negative picture from other people of society towards them  and will create misjudge against those poor people and then mutual hatred and in the end more troops�.
I think the solution here is security and economics and they both related to eachother.

There is another problem: economical development will raise the level of culture and information and surely this will create a sense of identity (or in the case of minorities a sense of nationalism) but If advocators of this doctorine could not find a good subtrate for their propaganda , there is no doubt they will be obliged to show themselves in medias and internets or even participating in political process ,in another term they are  forced to use democratic and civilized ways and losing their aggressive style and in the end find a place for themselves in society not hostility with it.
In simple we can say that we would be hostile towards a society , If we can not adapt ourselvesselves to it, If we could, we would be its defenders.
I just ask a question and I hope you answer it honestly, comparing to 10 years ago, economical condition in Turkey grows and I know people have a very good feeling toward the future of their country and this will raise their sense of self-confidence, So although the volume of nationalistic problem in internet and media increased, (because media is also advanced and internet is more accessible to ordinary people)Are hard liners and chauvinists have the same power and doctorines that they had 10 years ago?
In Iran you can see that as condition in Iran became worse, a very aggressive nationalism start rising.

I think Iraq will remain united and Kurdistan will  serve as a base for American to control Iraq, tention between kurds and Arabs and between sunni and shii remains up to that degree that USA could use it .I think world don�t want any change in political map of the region and Iraq is an important place.
About Iran I have only one word, UNPREDICTABLE!!!

Yes it is obvious, and I hope you see that sometimes I myself play this game (and consider that I am not racist or Anti Turk , its just teasing)

You dont need to be a spy for that, we live with it.

Well, this doesnt change the fact that the Arab lover Iranians have appointed those Arab lover Turks as their rulers. So that means they arent capable of ruling themselves, they arent brave enough to rule themselves or they are also Arab lovers.

Those Turks were the ones who made you Iranians again, remember Safavids? Even their masterpiece wasnt enough to oppress the Arab serving instinct in Iranians. You cant blame a minority for not being able to change your genes for sure...

So you mean Persian has a specific term to beg Turks? I am amazed.

Well, as we say here, "K�rle yatan �a�� kalkar.", means "The one who goes to bed with the blind, wakes up as squint eyed." So since the Azeris have been sleeping with the blind since the last 1000 years, some of their rulers may have became squint eyed.

Of course, but he has high amounts of Iranian blood causing him to commit such actions.

Well, your pahlevans arent girls for sure, maybe near a Turkmen pahlevan they seem like tiny girls, but not pysically. So I hoped you'd enjoyed one. I dont think Turkmens will let you marry their girls, they wouldnt want their Turk girls to sleep with the blind and become like the Azeri leaders.

You may not come to my country but I may to yours. Your country is %30 ours you know...

Lets close this Iranian women issue, we dont want to sleep with the blind and become like your Azeri leaders.

No. that border can only distinguish the mullah Cuarantine of Iran and modern Turkey. Or the homo saphiens with Equus mullahus.

Well, yeah. We like Arabic language. But you should too, it's your ancestoral language for sure...

Telling isnt a solution. After you continuously begged them as "Dastur Midaham", for 1000 years, you cant just make them leave their post before proving you can fly yourself now.

Why would I do that? Do it yourself, beg to Azeris by your own way (you are good at it)...

waw thats a huge part of Turkey !!

i found this picture in :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/56241129@N00/page2/

its a view of Merdin, turkey kurdistan?

"Ne Mutlu T�rkum Diyene"

How blissful/happy those who say I am Turk

Am I right?