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    Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 01:12

Thanks to you people, now Ottoman Empire is given to Arabs. Safavids, Afsarids were already given to Iranians.

I will post my Ottoman Empire, Safavid Empire, Seljuk Empire vs... messages to the Steps Forum. Because Ottoman Empire has nothing concerned with Arabia. We reached the gates of beograd before the middle easterner cities. How the hell do we manage to put Ottomans here. What is the relation between Ottomans and Pre Islamic Arabia?

also Seljuks only held Syria and Iraq concerned with Arabic lands.

the Turkic Empires held parts of Arabia were Mamelukes and Ottomans, and they held just a part of it.

Isn' t this forum created for Arabs? do whatever you would like to but please move us to the steps forum. Lets change steps to Turks, Mongols, Tungus Forum. Since Iranian Nomads have their Iranic forum.

I deeply protest this decision. I was against an Islamic World Forum, now things got worse...



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we are not connecting Pre-Islamic Arabia or Arabs to the Turks, this forum is about the area of the middle east and the empires and kingdom from that area, which are not all Arabs.

putting pre-islamic Arabia is for the period of history before islam in Arabia which was not always part of the Roman nor the persians. so it was independent most of the time and had its kingdoms.

other than that it is the same as before.

 
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Originally posted by Constantine XI

Yea I want an Australian forum! And one for the New Zealanders! And one for the dinosaurs! Let's make AE as bulky and complex and user unfriendly as possible!

 

 Yeah , but Auckland and Sydney can have their own

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As far as this forum concerned I don't think any member should come here and request to change the forum names.after all, forum's name speaks for itself  "Allempires.com"

Although I don't think Ottomans should be included in steppes forum, I don't think it should be included in Pre-Islamic Arabia and the Islamic World either.
if Pre-Islamic Arabia get to have its own forum it would be unfair to squeeze Ottomans in this section.What does Ottoman empire has to do with pre-islamic Arabs?Or even Arabs, except the facts that hulaguhan mentioned?

I'm not requesting an Ottoman Empire forum.it's just the way it seems now...
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Originally posted by HulaguHan

I will post my Ottoman Empire, Safavid Empire, Seljuk Empire vs... messages to the Steps Forum.

I agreed. I will post my ottoman empire msg to steppe forum too.
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Originally posted by THE TURK

Originally posted by HulaguHan

I will post my Ottoman Empire, Safavid Empire, Seljuk Empire vs... messages to the Steps Forum.

I agreed. I will post my ottoman empire msg to steppe forum too.

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You can post your topics everywhere but they will be moved to their proper forums, this forum is about Pre-Islamic Arabia and the Islamic world (X & Y differs from X = Y! ), so all related topics will be moved here.
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So you say this is not an Arabian forum?

Well thanks to you guys, Turks who were never a subject of Arabs are in the Arabian forum, while Iranians are outside. I mean since Varnagians do not make NOrdics a subject of Romans, the Turkish Praetorian guard of caliphs will not make Turks subjects of arabs either.

Point is, Ottoman Empire and Seljuk Empire were having Sassanid state systems combined with Roman and Turkish military systems.

Ottoman Empire and pre-Islamic beduins are totally different. Religion similarity is just a similarity. No Ottoman Padishah never became a pilgrim of mecca...
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I do not mind the forums name at all.


Look at the Ignorance displayed by HelagulHan
No Ottoman Padishah made pilgrimage of Mekka?

Interesting

I just do not think we need to say Pre Islamic Arabia,When Arabia will do But I am 85% - 92% satisfied.
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This is just foolishness.

Let me explain it to you:

The forum break down loosly ties like thgings together when possible. In some cases there is not sufficiant activity to warrent seperate forums for given topics and unrelated areas get grouped together as is the case with Africa,india the ammericas and sw asia. It is for admin. purposes thats all. The reson that there is an Irainian forum is because there has been much traffic there and our founder is Irainian and wants it there. Now get over it. The lay out is the layout and if you are on happy with it feel free to Not post here. If you fail to post in the appropriate area your topics as Cyrus said will be moved.

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There is too much traffic in Turkish topics too.

No, with permission my lord, I can not get over it, I can not get over to be cathegorized as Arab, Iranian, Roman, Greek, etc... I do not want a forum too. But just put us in an international part, not in an arabic or iranian or whatever forum.

Al Bedawi, please show me any Ottoman Emperor who went to pilgramage or a Seljuk Sultan...



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First off It my Lady not my Lord. Second it is up to the administrators and site designers  and I will warn you they are getting fed up with all the nonsense going on right now( not just this but other problems as well) . Please remember we don't always get what we want.

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OK, we should live with this I think , since our lords and ladies are ordering us to do so. Since this is an imperial forum and we are just poor subjects.

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Turks are poor subjects?!

Maybe is true.....
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Originally posted by Al Bedawi

I do not mind the forums name at all.


Look at the Ignorance displayed by HelagulHan
No Ottoman Padishah made pilgrimage of Mekka?

Interesting

I just do not think we need to say Pre Islamic Arabia,When Arabia will do But I am 85% - 92% satisfied.


As far as I understand there is nothing wrong with what hulagu said.You as an arab may think so but I as a Turk see no relations with arab.we just ruled you some hundred years that's it.we also ruled Balkans, noth africa etc...

I don't care about forum names either but as far as I know you're the one who made a big deal out of it!

well, since you satisfied 85 to 92% why don't you ask to cyrus more.that way he can fulfil your request and you'll be 100% satisfeid...


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Originally posted by Dawn

This is just foolishness.

Let me explain it to you:

The forum break down loosly ties like thgings together when possible. In some cases there is not sufficiant activity to warrent seperate forums for given topics and unrelated areas get grouped together as is the case with Africa,india the ammericas and sw asia. It is for admin. purposes thats all. The reson that there is an Irainian forum is because there has been much traffic there and our founder is Irainian and wants it there. Now get over it. The lay out is the layout and if you are on happy with it feel free to Not post here. If you fail to post in the appropriate area your topics as Cyrus said will be moved.



your post declares you know nothing about the issue.ok I'll open a new board and include Byzantium with the Ottomans in same forum just because I, the founder is a Turk and I want it this way.and it won't be hard to find a mod to suck up either
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Originally posted by erci

I don't think it should be included in Pre-Islamic Arabia and the Islamic World either.

why not?It is where it belongs
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Originally posted by HulaguHan

I will post my Ottoman Empire, Safavid Empire, Seljuk Empire vs... messages to the Steps Forum.

that would not be intelligent
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I wasn't against to first form "Islamic world". I too agree it's where it belongs

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Show me proofs they did not.

This is clear shirk on the part of the so called sultans

never mind the foolishness of regarding a Non arab as a Khalif.

(This is not a racist statement, In sunnah  the Book of govergnment both in Muslim and Bukhari spells out that the Khalifate Must be from an arab and this is agreed upon by both Jamiat w Sunnah and the shia ashrisasi
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