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azimuth
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Topic: an interesting question. Posted: 27-Jul-2005 at 19:47 |
then we keep the name Islamic world and add middel east and North africa.
it would be something like this
Islamic World, M.East and N.Africa Forum
by that it will cover everything i guess
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 27-Jul-2005 at 09:06 |
Ok, I think the title of this forum can be changed to "Middel East and North Africa" (of course in the middle ages), however "Islamic World" is/was a larger region.
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Posted: 27-Jul-2005 at 04:05 |
If you intrested Al-bedwi all arab coroporate to establish arabic fourm
in my opinion islamic fourm is enough for us
we can see our history in our places (midlle east).
accept my best regards
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 23:37 |
Thank you.
How many of those who post here are arab.
I have messaged you and asked that if you could could you translate a few passages from sirut abu zeid or taghribat bani Hillal.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 18:26 |
ok Al Bedawi i just collected some of your posts regarding this matter.
and i can see a point there that not a "very" proper Name for this Forum to call it Islamic world.
i already gave my opinion about this and you misunderstood me i think.
Originally posted by Al Bedawi
I vehmently dissagree with the arabs had nothing untill islam.
Petra Sheba Naubtanea
All this is before islam.
You also forget many people do forget that the Assyrians origin was in Yemen, and that the Akkadians left yemen/oman (mazan? hate to use a persian word for one of our lands)during the period of the Fueds within Qahtan.
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I didnt say that Arabs had nothing before Islam, off course they did for a very long time they have empires and communites.
what i meant is that they are not as significant as the empires they had After islam.
Originally posted by Al Bedawi
why is there a Forum for Turks, and Persians but not Arabs?
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well i think we may be need to change it to a more proper name and not calling it as per lanuage then we will need many other forum for others languages.
Originally posted by Al Bedawi
Why is there a Forum based on religion?
If a Turk can have a Ottoman(islamic) Empire and a National Empire (turkish empire? one I have never heard of)
why is it an Arab who throughout History existed Before Islam.
is forced to only one place on this forum that being the Islamic Forum.
To say the Arabs were Nothing before Islam, is to spit in the faces of Ancient Edom, Palmyra,Sheba,Himyar,and Petra.
For the western reader, This is a simple Request We Arabs are carelessly and needlessly lumped in with The Turks and with the Iranians in this Islamic Empire forum, You can simply do the following
do nothing refusing to admit a slight mistake was made.
realise turks, arabs and iranians have little in common besides religion.
create a Christendom Forum.
delete the turkish and iranian forums merging them all into Islamic.
Rename the Islamic forum the Arab one.
Merge the African and Islamic ones. after all all african empires with the exeception of Christian Nubia and ethiopian were arab or muslim
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Originally posted by Al Bedawi
what a Joke, I asked a simple question and a simpleton anwsered me.
I just think its unjust a TURK and Iranian Can post in 2 forums an arab christian has to post in one entitled islamic world. (this is not saying I am regarding myself as an xtian)
You see.
Turk = Culture
Iranian = Nationality
Islamic = Religion
Its very odd.
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well it is not Islamic Forum it is called Islamic World Forum, and Islamic world has alot of non islamic comunites.
well i thought that it is the most proper so far.
but we may find a More proper one than this , something like
Middel East and North African Forum?
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
Our website is "All Empires", there are many Iranian, Turkish and Islamic empires but I don't think there is any Arab Christian empire! |
actully there was an Arabic Christan empire,
this is from Britannica.
Arabian kingdom prominent as a Byzantine ally (symmachos) in the 6th century AD. From its strategic location in portions of modern Syria, Jordan,and Israel, it protected the spice trade route from the south of the ArabianPeninsula and acted as a buffer against the desert Bedouin.
The Ghassnid king al-Ḥrith ibn Jabalah (reigned 529569) supported the Byzantines against Ssnian Persia and was given the title patricius in 529 by the emperor Justinian. Al-Ḥrith was a Monophysite Christian; he helped to revive the Syrian Monophysite Church and supported Monophysite development despite the disapproval of Orthodox Byzantium. Subsequent Byzantine distrust of such religious unorthodoxybrought down his successors, al-Mundhir (reigned 569582) and Nuʿmn.
The Ghassnids, who had successfully opposed the Persian-oriented Lakhmids of al-Ḥrah, prospered economically and engaged in much religious and public building; they also patronized the arts and at one time entertained the poets Nbighah adh-Dhubyn and Ḥassn ibn Thbit at their courts. Ghassn remained a Byzantine vassal state until its rulers were overthrown by the Muslims in the 7th century. ----------------
this from wkipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassanids
to Mortaza its not that hard to make a new thread in Modern History Forum about that Austrain/Turkish conflict.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 17:27 |
Al Bedawi,
I think these maps would be enough for your lack of knowledge about pre-Ottoman Turkic history.
And btw, sorry I couldnt post the map of the Seljuk Empire, whose borders were reaching from Kyrgizistan to Aegean. Next time maybe...
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:44 |
icecream war is realy a fine name for a war, If they attacked a military train, I think I will proud with them. But I dont like their attact to civilians but again I will not judge them.
Thanks for knowledge.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:31 |
Have been lurking at AE for quite a while and never felt quite qualified to reply or post on any subject.
But this one got the better of me.
The "battle of Broken Hill" is better known to history as the
icecrem war or icecream revolt owing to the fact that the turks were
using an icecream cart as shelter at the time. Acutally I always (apart
from the sadness of the affair) always liked the name.
The Afghan revolt I think (and only my opinion) comes from 1870 from an incident with a ship called the AFGHAN, which
provoked a riot on Macquarie street in front of Parliment house and led
to restrictions of chinese immigarnts to Australia (the ship was
carrying around 250 chinese workers).
Just a short note on the white Austrlia policy as it relates to Afghans
(who were classed as Asiatic people under the policy) not only did it
effectively ban Asiatics from entering the country it had a clause the
forbade residant coloureds from travelling between states without
government permission, a clause that was directly aimed at the Afghan
Camel trains to restrict them to the regions of the outback and deserts
so their movements could be followed and whereabouts known at all times.
Sorry for the long post.
&nbs p; &nbs p;
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:20 |
also Palmyra under zenobia had an empire.
as well as Himyar (sheba) who conqured parts of Ethiopia.
Oman owned parts of Iran, had a huge trading empire, including somalia and zanzibar.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:16 |
I wasnt aware naples (southern ital. peninsula) fell to us.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:15 |
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:14 |
Ok where is the arab empire then???
as You well know in the early period The Arab Dahimmi (not an insulting
word) was worth more than the Ajaam (Not an Insulting word)
It was the ARABS who smashed the peacocks throne and it was the Arabs
who made war with those whos faces were like tightly drawn shields
(Turks and Tartars)
Where was this TURKISH EMPIRE?? It wasnt untill the Ottoman they became
of anything, The Horde was Mongol not Uzbek, The only Turkish empire
was the Mughal one.
if Turks and Iranians deserve 2 forums we arabs deserve atleast one.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 14:04 |
Bedawi post everywhere you want and leave that silly ideas
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 12:03 |
Our website is "All Empires", there are many Iranian, Turkish and Islamic empires but I don't think there is any Arab Christian empire!
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 11:43 |
Well Australia brought in the "White Australia policy" after the
country federated in 1901. This was a racist policy which prevented non
white people who were not from certain areas of Europe from entering
the country. It lasted until after WWII when a shortage of labour put
an end to it. One consequence of this policy was many non-white people
already here were also deported.
I would say many Afghans were deported as part of this policy at some
point in the early 20th century and most likely there was an
altercation as they did not want to leave. However, not all Afghans
were deported. Some stayed behind, keeping the desert as their home and
married even. The Afghans did not bring their women with them, and as
the European Australians largely shunned them the often married
aboriginal Australians. Their descendents most likely continue to roam
the deserts to this day.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 11:36 |
what a Joke, I asked a simple question and a simpleton anwsered me.
I just think its unjust a TURK and Iranian Can post in 2 forums an arab christian has to post in one entitled islamic world.
(this is not saying I am regarding myself as an xtian)
You see.
Turk = Culture
Iranian = Nationality
Islamic = Religion
Its very odd.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 10:23 |
Yes that rebellion should be related with camel riders. They should be numbered 700. I remember as all of them sent back to their country. Not sure about it. Rebellion didnt cost human life.
I read it form a book and Because of I am nomad like my ancestor, I have not book now.
It can be possible book is wrong. It is a book like "We Turks were hero"
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 10:06 |
Well I have searched both my memory and the net and I cannot find
anything on it. I am very much surprised you know of incidents this
minor happening all the way out here. Where did you hear about these
things?
Also if you could find information on the "Afghan rebellion" that would
be interesting. I do know for a fact that Australia took in alot of
Afghans in the 19th century, whose skills with camels greatly assisted
the opening up of the harsh desert regions in the outback.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 09:20 |
I dont know date, It was after this attack, or battle of Broken Hill.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 09:09 |
Well we have alot of asylum seekers here from Afghanistan and a number
of Islamic countries. Our government has to detain such people and find
out whether they are genuine refugees or simply trying to avoid the
immigration qeues. At the detention centres where they are held riots
are a common occurance and make regular headlines in the news.
Is there a specific Afghan rebellion here you are interested in? Maybe
something with a specific date or place or other details? Australia
does not have a very large Afghan community, so I am quite sure if
there was a rebellion of Afghans here it would not have been a huge one.
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