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    Posted: 27-Jul-2005 at 19:47

 

then we keep the name Islamic world and add middel east and North africa.

it would be something like this

Islamic World, M.East and N.Africa Forum

by that it will cover everything i guess

 

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jul-2005 at 09:06
Ok, I think the title of this forum can be changed to "Middel East and North Africa" (of course in the middle ages), however "Islamic World" is/was a larger region.
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  Quote Ahmed The Fighter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jul-2005 at 04:05

If you intrested Al-bedwi all arab coroporate to establish arabic fourm

in my opinion islamic fourm is enough for us

we can see our history in our places (midlle east).

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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 23:37
Thank you.

How many of those who post here are arab.

I have messaged you and asked that if you could could you translate a few passages from sirut abu zeid or taghribat bani Hillal.
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 18:26

ok Al Bedawi i just collected some of your posts regarding this matter.

and i can see a point there that not a "very" proper Name for this Forum to call it Islamic world.

i already gave my opinion about this and you misunderstood me i think.

Originally posted by Al Bedawi

I vehmently dissagree with the arabs had nothing untill islam.



Petra
Sheba
Naubtanea

All this is before islam.

You also forget many people do forget that the Assyrians origin was in Yemen, and that the Akkadians left yemen/oman (mazan? hate to use a persian word for one of our lands)during the period of the Fueds within Qahtan.

I didnt say that Arabs had nothing before Islam, off course they did for a very long time they have empires and communites.

what i meant is that they are not as significant as the empires they had After islam.

 

 

Originally posted by Al Bedawi

why is there a Forum for Turks, and Persians but not Arabs?


well i think we may be need to change it to a more proper name and not calling it as per lanuage then we will need many other forum for others languages.

 

Originally posted by Al Bedawi

Why is there a Forum based on religion?

If a Turk can have a Ottoman(islamic) Empire and a National Empire (turkish empire? one I have never heard of)

why is it an Arab  who throughout History existed Before Islam.

is forced to only one place on this forum that being the Islamic Forum.

To say the Arabs were Nothing before Islam, is to spit in the faces of Ancient Edom, Palmyra,Sheba,Himyar,and Petra.


For the western reader, This is a simple Request We Arabs are carelessly and needlessly lumped in with The Turks and with the Iranians in this Islamic Empire forum,  You can simply do the following

do nothing refusing to admit a slight mistake was made.

realise turks, arabs and iranians have little in common besides religion.

create a Christendom Forum.

delete the turkish and iranian forums merging them all into Islamic.

Rename the Islamic forum the Arab one.

Merge the African and Islamic ones. after all all african empires with the exeception of Christian Nubia and ethiopian were arab or muslim



Originally posted by Al Bedawi

what a Joke, I asked a simple question and a simpleton anwsered me.


I just think its unjust a TURK and Iranian Can post in 2 forums an arab christian has to post in one entitled islamic world.
(this is not saying I am regarding myself as an xtian)

You see.

Turk = Culture

Iranian = Nationality

Islamic = Religion

Its very odd.


well it is not Islamic Forum it is called Islamic World Forum, and Islamic world has alot of non islamic comunites.

well i thought that it is the most proper so far.

but we may find a More proper one than this , something like

Middel East and North African Forum?

 

 

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

Our website is "All Empires", there are many Iranian, Turkish and Islamic empires but I don't think there is any Arab Christian empire!

actully there was an Arabic Christan empire,

this is from Britannica.

Arabian kingdom prominent as a Byzantine ally (symmachos) in the 6th century AD. From its strategic location in portions of modern Syria, Jordan,and Israel, it protected the spice trade route from the south of the ArabianPeninsula and acted as a buffer against the desert Bedouin.

The Ghassnid king al-Ḥrith ibn Jabalah (reigned 529569) supported the Byzantines against Ssnian Persia and was given the title patricius in 529 by the emperor Justinian. Al-Ḥrith was a Monophysite Christian; he helped to revive the Syrian Monophysite Church and supported Monophysite development despite the disapproval of Orthodox Byzantium. Subsequent Byzantine distrust of such religious unorthodoxybrought down his successors, al-Mundhir (reigned 569582) and Nuʿmn.

The Ghassnids, who had successfully opposed the Persian-oriented Lakhmids of al-Ḥrah, prospered economically and engaged in much religious and public building; they also patronized the arts and at one time entertained the poets Nbighah adh-Dhubyn and Ḥassn ibn Thbit at their courts. Ghassn remained a Byzantine vassal state until its rulers were overthrown by the Muslims in the 7th century.
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to Mortaza  its not that hard to make a new thread in Modern History Forum about that Austrain/Turkish conflict.


 

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 17:27

Al Bedawi,

I think these maps would be enough for your lack of knowledge about pre-Ottoman Turkic history.

And btw, sorry I couldnt post the map of the Seljuk Empire, whose borders were reaching from Kyrgizistan to Aegean. Next time maybe...

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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:44

icecream war is realy a fine name for a war, If they attacked a military train, I think I will proud with them. But I dont like their attact to civilians but again I will not judge them.

Thanks for knowledge.

 

 

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:31
 Have been lurking at AE for quite a while and never felt quite qualified to reply or post on any subject.
But this one got the better of me.
The "battle of Broken Hill"  is better known to history as the icecrem war or icecream revolt owing to the fact that the turks were using an icecream cart as shelter at the time. Acutally I always (apart from the sadness of the affair) always liked the name.
The Afghan revolt I think (and only my opinion) comes from  1870 from an incident with a ship called the AFGHAN, which provoked a riot on Macquarie street in front of Parliment house and led to restrictions of chinese immigarnts to Australia (the ship was carrying around 250 chinese workers).
Just a short note on the white Austrlia policy as it relates to Afghans (who were classed as Asiatic people under the policy) not only did it effectively ban Asiatics from entering the country it had a clause the forbade residant coloureds from travelling between states without government permission, a clause that was directly aimed at the Afghan Camel trains to restrict them to the regions of the outback and deserts so their movements could be followed and whereabouts known at all times.

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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:20
also Palmyra under zenobia had an empire.

as well as Himyar (sheba) who conqured parts of Ethiopia.


Oman owned parts of Iran, had a huge trading empire, including somalia and zanzibar.


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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:16
I wasnt aware naples (southern ital. peninsula) fell to us.
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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:15
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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 16:14
Ok where is the arab empire then???


as You well know in the early period The Arab Dahimmi (not an insulting word) was worth more than the Ajaam (Not an Insulting word)

It was the ARABS who smashed the peacocks throne and it was the Arabs who made war with those whos faces were like tightly drawn shields (Turks and Tartars)

Where was this TURKISH EMPIRE?? It wasnt untill the Ottoman they became of anything, The Horde was Mongol not Uzbek, The only Turkish empire was the Mughal one.


if Turks and Iranians deserve 2 forums we arabs deserve atleast one.


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  Quote Jagatai Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 14:04
Bedawi post everywhere you want and leave that silly ideas
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 12:03
Our website is "All Empires", there are many Iranian, Turkish and Islamic empires but I don't think there is any Arab Christian empire!
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 11:43
Well Australia brought in the "White Australia policy" after the country federated in 1901. This was a racist policy which prevented non white people who were not from certain areas of Europe from entering the country. It lasted until after WWII when a shortage of labour put an end to it. One consequence of this policy was many non-white people already here were also deported.

I would say many Afghans were deported as part of this policy at some point in the early 20th century and most likely there was an altercation as they did not want to leave. However, not all Afghans were deported. Some stayed behind, keeping the desert as their home and married even. The Afghans did not bring their women with them, and as the European Australians largely shunned them the often married aboriginal Australians. Their descendents most likely continue to roam the deserts to this day.


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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 11:36
what a Joke, I asked a simple question and a simpleton anwsered me.


I just think its unjust a TURK and Iranian Can post in 2 forums an arab christian has to post in one entitled islamic world.
(this is not saying I am regarding myself as an xtian)

You see.

Turk = Culture

Iranian = Nationality

Islamic = Religion

Its very odd.


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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 10:23

Yes that rebellion should be related with camel riders. They should be numbered 700. I remember as all of them sent back  to their country. Not sure about it. Rebellion didnt cost human life.

I read it form  a book and Because of I am nomad  like my ancestor, I have not book now.

It can be possible book is wrong. It is a book like "We  Turks were hero"

 

 

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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 10:06
Well I have searched both my memory and the net and I cannot find anything on it. I am very much surprised you know of incidents this minor happening all the way out here. Where did you hear about these things?

Also if you could find information on the "Afghan rebellion" that would be interesting. I do know for a fact that Australia took in alot of Afghans in the 19th century, whose skills with camels greatly assisted the opening up of the harsh desert regions in the outback.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 09:20

I dont know  date, It was after this attack, or battle of Broken Hill.



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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 09:09
Well we have alot of asylum seekers here from Afghanistan and a number of Islamic countries. Our government has to detain such people and find out whether they are genuine refugees or simply trying to avoid the immigration qeues. At the detention centres where they are held riots are a common occurance and make regular headlines in the news.

Is there a specific Afghan rebellion here you are interested in? Maybe something with a specific date or place or other details? Australia does not have a very large Afghan community, so I am quite sure if there was a rebellion of Afghans here it would not have been a huge one.

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