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    Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 03:22

Ardashir, so  you live in Turkey?

So  you know what we learned?

Great.

Because of some turks stupid  claim, your stupid claims  dont become right.

But well, after all who is I am, just one who live in  Turkey.

And an Iranian should know Turkey better than me.

 

 



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Originally posted by Ardashir

Originally posted by strategos

so far ive heard some turks claim that everyone from korea to bulgaria, and now finland,  is a turk...

Yeah!

the Turkish government have been promoting the "Sun Theory" for 80 years.Therefore it shouldn't come as a surprise that many of our Turkish friends are so brain-washed in claimnig such absudities!



relax! noone is brain washed here.As others stated it,  it has nothing to do with education system in Turkey.However some people are free to think this way.

would you like being called a brain washed mullah? I don't think so.
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yea the "Sun Theory" was alittle far fetched!
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Dear all,
   Hi there. Best wishesh and respect.
   Salame makhsoosi ham kedmate aghaye Ardeshir Khan.
   Well, we've been gathered here to talk logically and without any stress-making issue. In my opinion, any nation of the world've got it's own nationalism. Turkic nations, Iranians, Chinese, Europeans, etc. Sometimes good; you know why? Becasue it reminds you of what your ancestors have done, not only for their own nation, but also for the world. Iranians are proud of their civilization, because they've got a lot of great scientist in many fields. Now, Ardeshir's sense of nationalism is admired (I think); but only until you don't offense others by your ideas.
   By the way Ardeshir, one of greatest Iranians 'sardar's are Nader Shah-e Afshar (now Nader was not Fars, but anyhow...). He's highly admired in Iran for his victories in India. But do you know what Indians think of Nader? The same idea as Iranians have got of Turkic and Mongolian people. It's the spirit of war. One is the victorious and the other is the one who fails.
   Shayad behtar bashe efrat va tafrit ro kenar bezarim va manteghi fekr konim.


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OSMANLI

The issue on Turku has been said, and to clarify, Pori (where I currently am ) comes from Swedish Bjrneborg, meaning Bearcastle (the emblem of Pori has a bear). Swedish "borg" comes from proto-Indo-European *bhrg-.

Also, no-one knows what proto-Uralics might have looked like. However, genetics has got nothing to do with linguistics, and if a Finn has blue eyes and blonde hair, shouldn't the Samoyeds have the features aswell, seeing that both people speak related languages ? Just like with Turkic people: Anatolian Turks have more of a mediterranean look, while the altai and goldi have more mongoloid features.

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Originally posted by Kuu-ukko

 Also, no-one knows what proto-Uralics might have looked like. However, genetics has got nothing to do with linguistics, and if a Finn has blue eyes and blonde hair, shouldn't the Samoyeds have the features aswell, seeing that both people speak related languages ? Just like with Turkic people: Anatolian Turks have more of a mediterranean look, while the altai and goldi have more mongoloid features.

In truth the ancient people speaking common "finno-ugric" language were biologicaly different type of people. According to Blint Hman many of these group had already lost its original language and assimilited to the common ancient finno-ugric group.
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This is not the non english forum.  Please write in English.

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As I said before, if you are liberal you can consider Finno-Ugric peoples as Indo-Europeans as some geneticans do.


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Originally posted by Kuu-ukko

Swedish "borg" comes from proto-Indo-European *bhrg-.

Yes, even in Greek we have the same root. The word "pyrgos" or "πύργος", meaning castle-tower.
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That word is common in many IE languages, and is loaned to some non IE languages

German- Burg

Persian- Barg

Arabic- Borj (borrowed from Persian)
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Originally posted by Ardashir

Originally posted by strategos

so far ive heard some turks claim that everyone from korea to bulgaria, and now finland,  is a turk...

Yeah!

the Turkish government have been promoting the "Sun Theory" for 80 years.Therefore it shouldn't come as a surprise that many of our Turkish friends are so brain-washed in claimnig such absudities!

Ardashir hello,

 

To be honest I have heard of Sun Theory whan I read a very fanatic book. Turkish guys are not brain washed with Sun Therory things. Our education does not cover thos theory. And off course this not even a theory just an hypotresis.

You know we can show several types of hyphothesis.

Attila had many wives like most of the Huns, now Huns raped Germans for centuries, now I can show an hypothesis, Germans are originally Turks.

Or, the arabic invasion of Iran, arabs raped persians for centuries, I can show a hypithesis, persians are persian speaking arabs. Turks and Mongols also tasted iran, if we consider raping business...

These are all hypothesis. Do you get it? And people study them, strictly. Now Hushyar has access to persian and arabic sources, he can tell you what happened...

picking the truth among them, is the drill...
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the Turkish government have been promoting the "Sun Theory" for 80 years.Therefore it shouldn't come as a surprise that many of our Turkish friends are so brain-washed in claimnig such absudities!

Not Sun God, Sun Language. We arent ancient Egyptians or smthing, when will you people learn that?

Noone cares about that theory anymore, just some people whose life purposes are trying to take their historical revenges in international forums by their inf-complexed methods. Before making comments about our education system, have a look at yours, I see mullahs have brainwashed you with some holy Aryan history beside the religion lessons...
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Wasn't historical Turkey (Turci) slightly larger than present day Hungary?
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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

I see mullahs have brainwashed you with some holy Aryan history beside the religion lessons...

Is that a joke? Because I am laughing.  Mullahs tried everything to get rid of all of Iran's pre Islamic history and that is a fact.
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Originally posted by Hrodger

Wasn't historical Turkey (Turci) slightly larger than present day Hungary?

 

what  do you mean with historical Turkey?

 
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Originally posted by Hrodger

Wasn't historical Turkey (Turci) slightly larger than present day Hungary?

Originally posted by Mortaza

what do you mean with historical Turkey?

I mean a slightly larger Hungary!
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Here is a map of Samoyedia (or Nenetsia):

From http://foto.ravna.no

Kola Peninsula and Novaya Zemlya isn't included in the Russian Nenetsia autonomous district
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hey Murtaza watch your mouth. Nihal Atsiz wasnt more fascist than hitler. no need to insult my grandfather or any relative of mine!!!

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Trk duygusu her Trkye en tatl kmzdr;
Trk lks candan da aziz bayramzdr...
Darbeyle gnllerde yatan lk silinmez!
Atsz yere dmekle bu bayrak yere inmez!...
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lol

Oki I am sorry, Lets say his ideas are a little weird for me.

 
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By  the way, good name
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