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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Ottoman sultans Signatures
    Posted: 18-Jun-2005 at 06:09
Click the name to see the sultans tughra (monogram)
The Sultans (spellings will vary) Dates of reign
Osman  unclear, he died in 1326
Orhan I 1326 - 1362
Murad I 1362 - 1389
Beyazid I 1389 - 1403
Suleyman elebi 1402 - 1411
Musa elebi 1411 - 1413
Mehmed I 1413 - 1421
Mustafa, Duzme 1421 - 1423
Mustafa Kuuk 1422 - 1423
Murad II 1421 - 1444, 1446 - 1451
Mehmed II 1444 - 1446, 1451 - 1481
Cem 1481
Beyazid II 1481 - 1512
Selim I 1512 - 1521
Suleyman I 1520 - 1567
Selim II 1566 - 1575
Murad III 1574 - 1595
Mehmed III 1595 - 1603
Ahmed I 1603 - 1617
Mustafa I 1617 - 1618, 1622 - 1623
Osman II 1618 - 1623
Murad IV 1623 - 1640
Ibrahim I 1640 - 1648
Mehmed IV 1648 - 1687
Suleyman II 1687 - 1691
Ahmed II 1691 - 1695
Mustafa II 1695 - 1703
Ahmed III 1703 - 1731
Mahmud I 1730 - 1754
Osman III 1754 - 1757
Mustafa III 1757 - 1775
Abdulhamid I 1774 - 1789
Selim III 1789 - 1807
Mustafa IV 1807 - 1809
Mahmud II 1808 - 1839
Abdulmecid 1839 - 1861
Abdulaziz I 1861 - 1877
Murad V 1876
Abdulhamid II 1876 - 1909
Mehmed V 1909 - 1918
Mehmed VI 1918 - 1922
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  Quote Byzantine Emperor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jun-2005 at 11:51
I have always liked the Sultans' signatures.  They are words and lettering, yet at the same time, they are very artistic and look like a picture.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jun-2005 at 17:52
Well done azimuth...
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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jun-2005 at 17:55

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Can you read that tughras?

 

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  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jun-2005 at 13:31
He can not read them, because they are not really (lets say completely) arabic letters.
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  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jun-2005 at 16:21
And Murtaza you would understand this fact if you were a little bit aware of Turkish history, like you compare a gang revolt in Konya with the whole Arabian peninsula revolt.
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  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jun-2005 at 16:42

And Azimuth must be unaware of Hat Arts. These are derived from Arabic letters but too much difficult to extract, if we want to be precise. These are more painting than writing.

Another Relic of the magnificent Ottoman Culture together with Ebru, Cini, Hereke Carpets, Cesmi Bulbul, Miniature.

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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jun-2005 at 16:50

And Murtaza you would understand this fact if you were a little bit aware of Turkish history, like you compare a gang revolt in Konya with the whole Arabian peninsula revolt.

 

Yes I know, what is Ottoman langauge, Using a changed Arab Alphabet, but I am just curious about how much they changed. A name is easy thing, so Maybe I think he can read. Is this a big guilt?

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  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jun-2005 at 16:57

These are not really Ottoman scripture. These are like handwriting, a type of writing like painting. Sure it is influenced by Arabic letters, actually these are deformed letters, but it is something different.

I do not know the exact word to define.

Ottoman scripts were Arabic scripts just with minor changes for our language (like we did to latin now).

In Iranian forum you can see the arabic alphabet. Open the picture and try to read it.

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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jun-2005 at 17:08

That is why I asked my friend

If I think they are just arabic, I dont need to ask this question.(And I know they are like handwriting.)

An Arab can read Arab Alphabet.

I am just curious how we changed alphabet. But It looks like we changed it much.

By the way, what is Cesmi Bulbul

I didnt hear it before.

 

 

 

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 21:25

 

off course i can read them they are arabic letters and they are names

the art thing is littel difficul to read but not for arabs it is hard for everybody.

and HulaguHan

how did you assume that i cant read that? you didnt change the alphabet that much you know,

i can read persian and old turkish alphabet. may be there would be some pronounciation and understanding problems  but that wouldn't be a major pronounciation change.

it is you who cant read that and dont even know what is it.

 

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  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 22:49
Originally posted by azimuth

off course i can read them they are arabic letters and they are names

the art thing is littel difficul to read but not for arabs it is hard for everybody.

and HulaguHan

how did you assume that i cant read that? you didnt change the alphabet that much you know,

i can read persian and old turkish alphabet. may be there would be some pronounciation and understanding problems  but that wouldn't be a major pronounciation change.

it is you who cant read that and dont even know what is it.

I did not say it is not Arabic letters Azimuth, but like you said it is difficult. Look at my words above, I said they are Arabic letters but deformed.

Yes I can not read, because I do not know Arabic.

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