Mongol Armor?

Originally posted by Temujin Turnbull of course isn't an authority on Mognols anyways, and the book is mediocre to say at least... re: shields. well, Gorelik, who is the authority on Steppe archaeology (armoury & weapons) always depicts Mongols with shields, including heavy cavalry, but then, he always only shows warriors which have the hgihest possible status and the most armour & equippment possible,s till i think shields are fairly common for mongols and not uncommon for heavy cavalry, Timurs heavy cavalry and heavy cavalry of Mamelukes for example also used shields.

Contemorary illustrations of Timurid troops show very few heavy cavalry with shields, and these are normally hung on the horses hindquarters.  I'm not impressed with Gorelik's books, he is seriously over generous in the equipment he depicts.  Also the primary sources are clear, the more armour a cavalryman wore, the less likely he was to use a shield.   Though, in truth, it's that the illustration is a very late period metal shield that I find most dissapointing.

Originally posted by Temujin I disagree with the shield, in fact shields were widely used by Mongols

As stated earlier shields were not widely used by Mongol heavy cavalry.  In eastern armies, shields were not widely used by cavalry.  As the Mongols traveled further west more of them adopted the use of a shield, still it wasn't the norm.

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Originally posted by poirot Here are two paintings of Mongol Cavalry: Mongol Cavalryman Mongol Cavalry in battle

The picture is a total nonsense. The Monghol warrior is shown carrying a Chinese sword called Liuyedao  furnished in a style of the 19-20th century. Anybody interested in ancient Monghol weapons, particularly armour, should get a book by Gorelik " Weapons of the Ancient East" Atlant Publishers, 2004 , Moscow-St. Petersburgh. It is in Russian, though...

This is actually a Tatar warrior's armor, but i think its similar enough because they were in the same horde though different tribe ...

Does the mongols have a standardised armor design? From the pictures, I have an impression that each indiv had to fabricate his gear from whatever stuff he can obtain...

Originally posted by BigL troops were punished by death if they didnt have the standard equipment.

 

What do you mean by standard equipment?  Do you mean a person should have the standardized stuff such as a bow, quiver, lasso, horse, saddle, etc or do you mean the equipment had to be the same as all the others in their unit?  By 'same' I mean same style of armour, same clothing and so forth. 

Yes, you are correct, they were punished if their equipment was not kept in proper order and maintained properly.

Originally posted by tadamson Originally posted by CamokaGurth This is actually a Tatar warrior's armor, but i think its similar enough because they were in the same horde though different tribe ... Whare is the image from? If it's 'Tartar' are we talking 17thC  ukraine ?

*Tatar... the turkic peoples who were a part of the Golden Horde invading Eastern Europe (Russia, Ukraine etc.)

and yes they were a part of the Ottoman Empire in the 17th century, live in the areas of Tatarstan and Crimea(southern Ukraine). They were known as the Crimean Khanate after the breaking of the Horde.

(based on my research "Tartar" with the "r" was the work of European change that started from the "Tatary"(just used as the areas Tatars lived at) made related to "Tartarus" from Greek mythology )

 

 *and PLEASE dont confuse Tatars with Mongols ... ive seen many mistakes like this in western(actually American  ) history books etc. Tatars were turkic while Mongols were mongoloid

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 *and PLEASE dont confuse Tatars with Mongols ... ive seen many mistakes like this in western(actually American  ) history books etc. Tatars were turkic while Mongols were mongoloid

Dude Turks are mongoloid(mostly) so are chinese and japanese.
the term monogoloid is used to point out a genetic hmmm.. something that links several races to gether.

It's Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid and few more.



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