what do you think of salamn farsi?

No you misunderstood me, I am not telling Iranian people rejected their religion. In fact, I cant blame them for this.

I mean some of iranians(I dont know who many they are) trying to make islam as a Iranic religion.

In this thread we have two groups of people living in two different worlds. We have those who have researched religions and look at them academically (this usually means that the person begins to realize all religions are just a sham) and those who are only responding due to their faith in some religion (religion is often so fused to their brain that they won't easily be able to see beyond it).

I think it's pointless to argue something like this, unless you first argue and agree on the base on which you are making your points on. As long as some of you believe that religions are actually sent from god, and some of you believe they're all man-made you can't argue about anything else. First argue about this matter, and if you agree on one base(you won't agree on it, trust me ) then get to higher level stuff like "so who made this religion up anyways?"

 

Behrouz, I think you are generalizing a little. Not everyone analyzing a religion believes that all religions are just a sham, and not everyone believing in a faith has done that by closing his or her eyes and ears to reality

 

Originally posted by Mortaza I always think Dunya is a  Turkish word Infact I dont care if they hate islam, Or If they change their religion. But pls dont change my religion.

lol, As I said always Turks thinks every thing is Turk, it is Epidemic between them.
Is there any one who force Mortaza to read posts & & force him to change religion.

Originally posted by Mortaza I am not blaming anyone, but noone have right to destroy my religion too.

are you only one who is beleive in this Religion??????

Originally posted by Zagrus Poria I take with a pinch of salt a Turkish person saying Iranians are the most ultra-nationalist. Iranians have never banned the language and culture of their ethnic groups that's why all are still alive today in Iran, is the same true in Turkey?

ultra-nationalist!!!!  Remeber Turks 1915, The 1'500'000 Armenian

Originally posted by Zagrus Poria Not me, I advocate religious freedom. Kiyumars is wrong, most people in Iran, if you ask their religion say they are Muslim, even if they do not practice the religion and drink and do other unIslamic things.

Who has this bravery to say I'm not Muslim anymore in Iran???
except who likes Gallows

Poria: Avaie Dohol az dor shenidan khosh ast

Originally posted by ramin Land of Aryan, you make me think... think... and think.

Think about?????? what???????

Originally posted by Mortaza I mean some of iranians(I dont know who many they are) trying to make islam as a Iranic religion.

I don't try to Make it Iranic, it was some information & answer to Azimuth.
All religion is in debt of Zartustra.
Paradise ( even this word is Persian ), hell, Resurrect first come Rartustra
 
for more info refer to:
 L.H.Mills, Our Own Religion in Ancient Persia, la vie future p.255_260
 Sadeghe Hedaiat, Zan va homan iasn ( Bahman Iasht ) p.24
 Azar Faran bogh, Gojastk Abalish

Edited by Land of Aryan

And was this fguys name not:

SALMAN

RUSHTIE?

I voted traitor because I thought the guy you were talking about was the general that converted to Islam and helped the ISlmaic armies against Iran.

Salman Rushtie is not even Iranian, he is an Indian.

She is a supporter of Rafsanjani, that is his slogan, "no more talk".

Originally posted by Land of Aryan Originally posted by Mortaza I mean some of iranians(I dont know who many they are) trying to make islam as a Iranic religion. I don't try to Make it Iranic, it was some information & answer to Azimuth. All religion is in debt of Zartustra. Paradise ( even this word is Persian ), hell, Resurrect first come Rartustra   for more info refer to:  L.H.Mills, Our Own Religion in Ancient Persia, la vie future p.255_260  Sadeghe Hedaiat, Zan va homan iasn ( Bahman Iasht ) p.24  Azar Faran bogh, Gojastk Abalish

Zartustra's existince has a big error if you dont know almost all history encyclopedia's mention his existance in the 7th century BC while others suggesting it was like 3800 BC

and where he was born? judaisim started for sure somewhere 1200 BC and prophets mentioned in judaisim chirstianity and islam are from different times and almost nothing there gives credit to persia.

and by having some words similarity is not really a proof and people who made these "Studies" are like everybody else trying to be famouse by making new theories. which obviosly not accepted my the majority of the people.

not even famouse enough.

 

 

Originally posted by Zagros Purya not just some words, but entire concepts.  I suspect u have no idea of the impact the Zaroastrian clergy had on the hebrews after Cyrus freed them from Babylon. Well, let me tell you just one not very important one, they turned Judaism into a monotheistic religion.

this tiny paragraph will rise lots of questions.

such as what was Judaism before the persians get controle of Babylon?

whats the proofs that Zaroastrians has been impacted judaism? why not the judaism impacted zaroastrians.

is zaroastrian religion the same from its founders time? or it has developed through the years?

since its not clear when zaroaster was born and the place of his birth , what are the proofs that he founded this religion?

even so what makes Salman AL-Farisi the one who tought the Prophet Mohammed PBUH the Religion ? so Islam came from Zaroasterians or from christans or from Judaism?

to make it easier for you, lets say Salman tought the Prophet about Zaroster and the Prophet said waw this is great i will go and study some chirstianity and judaisim and add them to the Zarosters religion and make up a new one, and i will call it Islam and people will be called muslim and i will pretend that iam recieving masseges from God and tell the people about it and call these masseges as Quran.

here you go this is a brand new theory for you which combines the Western theories and the Persian theories. so dont wast much time and go and write a book about this and offcourse add some more spices to it.

 

 

 

I dont think the religion Islam is what makes Iranians angry, but more the fact that Arabs imposed that religion on Persians.  Zoroastrianism, in its basic principles, isnt that far from Islam. 

Zoroaster taught the existence of an uncreated Supreme Diety, Ahura Mazda (Wise Lord), creator of material and spiritual worlds, creator of both light and darkness, founder of the moral order, lawgiver, and judge of all beings.  This isnt that far away from what Muslims believe in God as well.

Im not that familiar with Salman Farsi, but in today's contexts, even Persia would be considered part of the "Axis of Evil" so I dont know if we can judge them by today's standards.

hey you fool persians arent you that we arab ruled for almost 700 years ,in lessthan 6 years.........

you were our slaves for all that peirod and how you dare to make these false theory about salman al farsi who we muslim and arab considere him as great moslem man.

i know some persian guys and nobody talk about salman al farsi that bad.

mayby because they are in arab country and they are  so chicken sh*t totalk about something like this.i dont care about shi and sunnie things beside that im sunniets.this forum not for racist things about arian and arabs and turks. 

finaly let the iranian go to hell with aryan mythologies,i respest european so much specialy germans because germans are warlikes and militrist not like you persian that we make you our slaves 4 seven centuries.