Is the Egyptian word NTR(god) from Nut/Neith + Ra?

Originally posted by rakovsky If you are interested in the theory of ancient Advanced technology, in the Americas, it seems to me that Norte Chico and Puma Punku are key places to look. It is fascinating to me that Peruvian society in the Norte Chico region began to build its neolithic structures, maybe including pyramids and temples, in 4000-2500 BC, the same era when Egyptian society was emerging as a literate neolithic civilization.

Yup 40 plus years ago I was interested....long before neo revisionists or unqualified and trained novices and theorists were promulgating various theorems. Or banding about theories of alien influences. None of which is to say I reject out of hand or.... the possibility of diffusion and or assimilation thru exploration and communication, exchanges of culture etc.

Even given the technical capabilities and abilities to promote such exchange as recognized and accepted by mainstream academia today...of the contextual eras in question.



I'm no longer interested in it.

But I am in whether or not I catch some nice brown trout tomorrow.

So carry on admirably but I am finished here.

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 11-Aug-2016 at 19:25

If you are interested in the theory of ancient Advanced technology, in the Americas, it seems to me that Norte Chico and Puma Punku are key places to look. It is fascinating to me that Peruvian society in the Norte Chico region began to build its neolithic structures, maybe including pyramids and temples, in 4000-2500 BC, the same era when Egyptian society was emerging as a literate neolithic civilization.

• "Been teaching and have taught at various academic levels that the "Burden of Proof" rule of reason is a staple. However at this point it's been made clear by the original initiator of the claim."

Does merely asserting "In their language Annu means Ant and Naki means friend, Ant Friends. " meet a reasonable burden of proving that Anu Naki means Ant People?

If so, how?




Edited by rakovsky - 10-Aug-2016 at 19:25

Here is what I found:

Anu = Red Ant ... The 12 phratries and their dependent clans as represented in the East Mesa villages are as follows: 1. Ala-Lengya ( Horn-flute) phratry: Ala (Horn), Pangwa (Mountain sheep), Sowiinwa (Deer), Chubio (Antelope ), Chaizra ( Elk), Lehu (Seed grass), Shiwanu (Ant), Anu (Red-ant), Tokoamu (Black-ant), Wukoanu (Great-ant) Leliotu (Tiny-ant), Shakwalengya (Blue flute), Masilengya (Drab or All-colors flute). Naki = Want - See also Neki = Think - From Uto Azetecan root words. Consequently, what we have (thus far) for a genuine transliteration in regard to the Hopi "Anu Naki" are the terms: Red Ant, Want or Think, which still cannot be qualified as meaning the phrase Ant Friends, yet.

http://lunaticoutpost.com/archive/index.php?thread-520671-3.html

I provided you an excellent link. You want more than that do as it suggest.

I'm not in the habit of doing this for anybody gratis.

You want that then expect to be billed for personal service rendered.

That link might well lead you to academic sources of verification of the type you require. You decide.

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 09-Aug-2016 at 21:54

Originally posted by Arthur-Robin I don't think neter can be Nut + Ra. Not saying more on here but you [Rakovsly] can discuss it in p.m. or anywhere else if wish.

Arthur,

Don't feel bad about posting here or discussing with opposite POVs. I can see several different theories. Some I have come across among Egyptologists:
NTR = birthing, giving life. (Like Natalis in Latin, or Nurture in English)
NTR = Nature, element, principle (Like Natura in Latin)
NTR = purifying (Like Natron in Latin and in Egyptian)
NTR = something high up (like the "God most High" in the Old Testament)

That NTR is related to the goddesses Nut("sky/heavens" that has the heavenly waters)/Nunet(heavenly "waters")/Neith(who is the unseen heavens and the heavenly waters) is my own theory. For example, the gods are often equated with the stars in Egyptian myths. And the stars themselves are celestial and heavenly. When the blessed dead die, they go to heaven and become "neteru" (gods, plural of NTRU). So this means they are heavenly too in a sense. Copts dropped the R in NTR and called it Noute, which reminds me of Nut (heavens, pronounced Newt). It's as if the R was not essential and they associated NTR most with Nut, the heavens.

The best avenue for more exploration of the subject I see would be to see what words in the related Chadic/Cush-ite, and Berber languages have NTR, mean "God", or mean any of those five things and also have NT in them or mean "god".


Edited by rakovsky - 09-Aug-2016 at 20:00

http://www.hopi-nsn.gov/

Under 'Contact'.. direct your research thru the Office of the Chairman and or Director of Education for additional information..sources..links that verify this well known traditional cultural identification,

The Hopi legends state that the "ant people" came and took them underground to survive some global disaster.

If you need further info, google it. This isn't new or unknown folklore.

Originally posted by rakovsky Originally posted by red clay In their language Annu means Ant and Naki means friend, Ant Friends. Red Clay,That sounds neat, but would you be able to confirm that with a scholarly source?I looked up person and people in a Hopi dictionary, and all I found was that person is "<strong =" phr">himösino"

I probably could, if I had time. However I thought that was a common historical fact.

Originally posted by medenaywe Egyptians spoke like that Rakovsky in 196 B.C.They spoke with language where voices&syllables were words!

So what were they doing in the centuries leading up to 196 BC to make language?