who will win US presidential elections?

Who do you think will  win the USA presidential elections? (Front runners are/were dems: Clinton, Sanders; reps: Cruz, Kasich, Trump.) (I am not in US and i don't get alot of media here so forgive me if anything is "out of date".)
(Not asking/saying who you voting for or want to win, but who you think is most likely to be voted in. However everyone is free to say who they like if they wish, esp as this may give an indication of the people's feelings.)
Are there any predictors? Below is a rough table of possible predictors which i have thought of in trying to guess who will get in. Are any of these predictors more major than the others? (I'm not saying these are the best in all world history, only trying to see if/what predictors in the present society/system/regime/order/world.)

candidate: HClinton (BClinton) Sanders (Obama) Cruz Kasich Trump
name: ... (...) n (...) n/y n n?
looks/physical: ... (y) ... (...) ...(/wifeY) y Y
humour/wit
"positive/happy/smile" y (...) ... (...) ... ... ...
ability: ... (...) ... (...) ... ... y
qualified: y (...) ... (...) ... y ...
experience/groomed: Y (...) ... (...) ... ... ...
ambition ... (...) ... (y) ... y? ?
will/persistence/determination/resolution
consitency/loyalty
propaganda/psychology/instinctive
speeches/spoken/oral/demagogue: ... (...) ... (...) ... ... y
meetings: ... (...) y (...) ... ... ...
enemies: ... (...) ... (y) ... ... Y
(too)old: y (...) Y (...) n ... ...
"Aryan" (or norman/saxon/roman): y (...) n (N) n(/wifeY) ... Y
business/corporate ... (...) ... (...) Y ... y
funds ... (...) ... (...) n/y ... Y
GoldmanSachs/FRB: ... (Y) ... (Y) Y ... ...
policies/manifesto/ideology/idea/religion: ... (...) ... (Y) ... ... y
democrats: y (y) y (y) n n n
republcians n (n) n (n) y y y
nationalists/"rednecks": ... (...) n (N) ... ... Y
Red: ... (...) ... ("y") ... ... y(1stwifeRussian)?
Women: Y (...) ... (...) ... ... ...
AfroAmericans/civilRts  ... (...) y (Y) ... ... ...
latinos ... (...) ... (...) Y ... ...
Amerinds: ... (...) ... (...) ... ... ...
Messiah/Saviour ... (...) ... (Y) ... ... ...
change: ... (...) ... ("Y") ... ... "y"?
Masons: ... (Y) ... (...) ... ... ...
Christians y (y) [philadelphia?] (Y) y ... ...
Catholics/Italian/Pope: ... (y) Y (y) Y Y n/Y
Jews/Israel/Zionists: y (lewinsky?) Y (y) ... ... y
Mormons: ... (...) ... (...) ... ... ... (RomneyY)
military: ... (...) ... (...) y ... y
police/law/criminal record: ... (...) y (...) ... ... ...
"Americans": ... (...) ... (...) ... ... y?
"security"/smartpower: Y (...) ... (...) ... ... ...
against water fluoridation: N (N) N (N) N N N
my vote if only those 5 choices: n/y? (n) y/n (n/y?) n n/y? y/n?
synthesis/balance (lt & rt):
polls
media/tv/radio/papers/web/net:
presidental debate
record/promises: na (...) na (...) na na na
secrecy/loyalty/trust
intelligence/brains
whole man
strong:
workers
poor/homeless/social/unemployed/beneficiaries: ... (N) ... (?) ... ... ...
tax
middleclass
Globalist
popularity/populism
genealogy:
ego ... (...) ... (...) ... ... y
fighter
distraction: ... (...) ... (...) ... ... y?
private life:
gambling/casinos ... (...) ... (...) ... ... y
character
leader(ship)
activism
geopolitical
ruthlessness
truth/right
foresight/longsight
charm
magnetic/energy
courage/guts/balls
religiousity/reverance/mysticism/messianism/spirit:
useful
creator

(This didn't really fit in the other already existing topic/thread 'US Presidential Elections - Trump'.)

Hillary Clinton
Hillary is Methodist.
Bill is (Southern) Baptist.
Clinton is advocate of Smart Power (incl soft power) [Smartmeters?] like Pope JP2.
"[Bill] Clinton was also a member of the Order of De Molay, a youth group affiliated with Freemasonry, but he never became a Freemason."
Bush & Clinton pay respects to Pope John Paul 2005
"Former Goldman executives who moved on to government positions include, but are not limited to, Robert Rubin and Henry Paulson who served as U.S. Secretaries of the Treasury under former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, respectively...." (wikipedia.)
Clinton: "Israel's new friend: Hillary, born-again Zionist". (wikipedia.)
(Bill Clinton was the one who brought in the "welfare/benefit reforms".)

Bernie Sanders
"Sanders had a typical upbringing for his generation of American Jews: his father generally attended synagogue only on Yom Kippur; he attended public schools while his mother "chafed" at his yeshiva Sunday schooling at a Hebrew school; and their religious observances were mostly limited to Passover seders with their neighbors." (wikipedia.)
Sandars spoke in philadelphia [like 6th church in Revelation].
Bernie Sanders: "... and this is not Judaism, this is what Pope Francis is talking about, that we can’t just worship billionaires and the making of more and more money."
"Sanders's wife is Roman Catholic, and he has frequently expressed admiration for Pope Francis, saying that "the leader of the Catholic Church is raising profound issues." (Wikipedia.)
Sandars wave in a photo looks like nazi salute or communist salute?


John Kasich
"Religion ... formerly Roman Catholicism"
"Kasich was raised a Catholic, but considers denominations irrelevant, and stated that "there's always going to be a part of me that considers myself a Catholic."
kasich married twice.
business.

Ted Cruz
Cruz means cross?
Cruz has said, "I'm Cuban, Irish, and Italian, and yet somehow I ended up Southern Baptist."
"In January 2016, The New York Times reported that Cruz and his wife had taken out low-interest loans from Goldman Sachs (where she worked) and Citibank...."
"She is currently taking leave from her position as head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. and previously worked in the White House for Condoleezza Rice and in New York as an investment banker."
(Cruz's wife blond.)

Don Trump
"Trump retracted his criticism of the Pope: " I don't think this is a fight," said Trump. "I think he said something much softer than was originally reported by the media." " (Wikipedia, 'Donald Trump'.)
"Trump Drinks (an energy drink for the Israeli and Palestinian markets)
"In January 2013, Trump was a popular figure in Israel, and has, himself, owned land in Israel (the Elite Tower site). Trump released a video endorsing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during the 2013 Israeli elections."
"Trump also has ties to the Jewish-American community. ...." (wikipedia.)
Is Trump's 1st wife's name Russian [Soviet?]
Trump and his wife and daughter have blond hair (and blue? eyes)
Trump ~ last trump(et)? like word trump in dictionary?
Trump (rich, business, casino builder, has had 3 marriages, real estate agent, bankrupt)

B Obama
"In December 2014, after the secret meetings, it was announced that Obama, with Pope Francis as an intermediary, had negotiated a restoration of relations with Cuba, after nearly sixty years of détente." (Wikipedia 'Barack Obama'.)
Goldman Sachs people in Obama's administration.
In 2014, President Obama likened the Zionist movement to the Civil Rights Movement in the United States. He said that both movements seek to bring justice and equal rights to historically persecuted peoples. He explained, "To me, being pro-Israel and pro-Jewish is part and parcel with the values that I've been fighting for since I was politically conscious and started getting involved in politics."
A drunk Russian/Soviet supposedly claimed Obama is a plant of theirs?

World-wide Web War games 2016.



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 12-Jul-2016 at 05:33

Good, Bad and Trump!

I afraid that Trump will become the next president of the USA. I belive that most of common people supports him against the will of american elites. His victory will be a triumph of democracy, just like Brexit. However I got no idea what will be the consequences for the USA and world policy.

Edited by Mosquito - 13-Jul-2016 at 07:23

Trump is a GOP nightmare. He hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of winning a general election, and a Democrat landslide could overturn the GoP majority in Congress.

The Convention will be a real circus.

Thanks everyone, its good & interesting to see the different opinions/ideas & info. I don't have much yet to comment on sorry.

If Trump got this far then it is possible he/they could pull off a cat in the hat, though he could just be a give away to Clinton card. Perhaps they may pull a switch and replace him with someone else. Look how he trumps the threads/topics/posts/replies!
He might modify him self a bit if he did/does get in. I didn't really like any of the 5 main candidates including Trump, and I don't think Trump is all so great as some on right think (after all he's a business man, real estate agent, etc) (and can't see him as hero of "common people" as moquito says), though i also don't think he is all so bad as the mainstream make out. The pope connection thing worries me. (* I never do much like any mainstream candidates. Here in NZ Winston Peters is probably the most interesting mainstream party candidate. (I was depressed that half of NZ revoted back in Key/National last election.)) Another thing i should ahve added to my list was "1st woman president" and "1st afroamerican president".

I suspect alot/afew more elections have been dirty. A "really dirty election" as opposed to just a dirty election perhaps?
I agree with Medenaywe, but i think the whole modern western democratic system needs modifying so that real quality head and heart nation-serving/-leading people get in, like a synthesis of ("monarchy",) aristocracy and democracy (rather than tyranny, oligarchy and ochlocracy).

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,35252


Edited by Arthur-Robin - 13-Jul-2016 at 12:04

I am pretty out of touch and had not heard about all that. I only heard that Iceland kicked out global elite a few years ago. Maybe i don't know much about Trump etc, but I am sceptical that he is truly "national/organic" or so popular. My impression was Uk leaving Eu was just some economic thing, but i haven't actually seen/heard/read much about it other than a thread on AE.
I much dislike like the current globalist free-trade corporatist transhumanist capitalist liberal-edmocratic western world regime, and i have been involved with some nationalism here in nz in the past and it would be hoped they would be better than the current WW regime. However i am also scared of the other extreme of nazi Germany. I recently considered a fredom fighters front here but was not able to do anything about it. Judging by the way an theapricity forum member attacked me with a virus in dec i am assuming they will be enemies against me just as much as this regime.
Maybe Europe has gone that way because they banned water fluroidation, while the UK and colonies (US, Australia, RSA, NZ) still fluoridate which messes with peoples natural abilities/health.
Any election with people on fluoridated water (like in USA) should be considered corrupt election. They lowered the level of fluoride in usa a couple of years ago so possibly it is connected?


I don't want to diverge too far off-topic, but this relates to your reply and does relate abit to the topic.

Remember we can't be sure who is behind all these politicians and parties including the nationalist ones. Whoever is behind everything is very cunning/clever/deceptive.

Poland: they claim that Pope John Paul's (who was Polish) election and his soft power/smart power was a major reason for the fall of the Eastern bloc.
Pope John Paul II visited Poland in 1979.

France: is a Roman Catholic country. Marie (le Pen) is a Catholic name.

Austria: (present last) Pope Francis same name as last Austrian emperor.
Charles 1 of Austria 1916 was Roman Catholic.

UK:
Pope Francis gives Queen/Philip an orb with cross on it which bbc says represents christian royal authority over the globe/world (2014).
"2010: Pope Benedict XVI received by Queen Elizabeth at Holyrood Palace at the start of his state visit to Great Britain."
2010 Pope Benedict addresses both houses UK Parliament

USA: Trump: Trump retracted his criticism of the Pope with strange wording.
Sanders pro-Pope.
2013 Pope Francis advises US & Cuba to exchange prisoners
2013/2014 secret meetings Obama & Pope, Cuba "miracle".
Bush & Clinton pay respects to Pope John Paul 2005
Bush visits Pope JP2 at Castel Gandolfo 2001
JFK, RC pres 1960.
Goldman-Sachs has offices/branch in Italy.
Kasich religion formerly Roman Catholic, still considers he is part  Catholic.
H Clinton: "Israel's new friend: Hillary, born-again Zionist". (wikipedia.)
"Trump Drinks (an energy drink for the Israeli and Palestinian markets)
"In January 2013, Trump was a popular figure in Israel, and has, himself, owned land in Israel (the Elite Tower site). Trump released a video endorsing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during the 2013 Israeli elections."
"Trump also has ties to the Jewish-American community. ...." (wikipedia.)
"In 2014, President Obama likened the Zionist movement to the Civil Rights Movement in the United States. ...."

EU: France, (Low Countries,) Italy, Germany were/are the primary reuniters just like they were the primary Charlemagne's empire divisions.
Treaty of Rome.
Smurfs by a Belgian (like Tintin) (Papa Smurf).

AE: has Latin in picture upload. Forum is a Roman word. AE has Justinian in centre.

There seem to be 4 or 5 or 6 major possible candidate global conspiracy powers in the world: USA, UK?, EU &/or Vatican/Papacy, Russia, Israel.
2 sides in Spanish/Portugal civil war/s: leftists/masons & rightists/nationalists/Catholics.
2 people destroy Jesus: Jews condemned him and handed him to Romans. Romans crucified him.

Bible says 2 : the beast and the harlot Babylon/Rome.

"10 powers form Council of Europe, 1949" ~ 10 horns beast?
3 horns displaced by little horn ~ BeNeLux? France, Italy, Germany? Golden Triangle?

The beast  has 3 or 4 major parts Lion mouth (Jewish/Semitic? Christian/Aslan? Babylon/Babel? UK?), Leopard body (Nimrod/Alexander/Napoleon/Hitler?), Bear feet (free trade? UK/Arthur? Russia? Iran?), and Dragon power/beast/composite (Roman?).

I mayn't be able to post any much anymore as i am under seeming possible attack here in my real life (eg they just started doing road works this week) after posting online all the discovered truths of the last 12 months.



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 14-Jul-2016 at 10:59

atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php?topic=35256

"(wall of) freedom"?

The usa still poisons (fluorides) tap water (though they slightly reduced the level/amount they put in a coupld of years ago).
"[3 evils: vaccination, fluoridation, mental health.]" (- an early poster.)
"The real USA unemployment rate is 30%."
there are quite a few/alot of homeless people in USA.
Reaganomics.
B Clinton was the one who did social security reforms.
"Trump/Republican will privatise social security system"?
Executive Order 11000 provides for mobilisation of all civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
"socialised health"
"[>70%?] of America is owend by [<30%?]"
"If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.  May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams?
'Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"' - Obama.
"isles where they dwell carelessly" - bible prophet.
D Trump is rich, a real estate agent, business man, bankruptcy.
"one country two systems"? 
TPP(A).
H Clintons 'Smart power' (incl 'soft power'). Smartmeters. Landlines gone.
Nsa/Prism.
Exec Order 11002 designates postmaster general to operate a national registration of all persons.
Clementine 2. [1 Clement was Domitian.]
Fracking.
Exec Order 11051 details responsibilities of office of Emergency Planning.
Exec order 11004 provides for housing & Finance Authority to relocate communicties, designate areas to be abandoned as unsafe, and establish new locations for populations.
"Of the 22 civilizations that have appeared in  history, nineteen of them collapsed when they  reached the moral state the United States is in  now." - Arnold J. Toynbee.
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary for the Security of a free State, the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." - James Madison
"ask not what your country can do for you but  what you can do for your country". - JFK snr.
"It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them." - Mark Twain ('Following the Equator') .
"Keep it real" - rappers.
"We talked the matter over and could have settled  the war in thirty minutes had it been left to us." - Confederate soldier, after fraternizing with his  Union counterpart.
Executive Orders provide for take over of all communications media, electrical power, petroleum, food resources, farms, modes of transportation, highways, seaports, health, education, welfare, airports, aircraft, railroads, waterways, pubic storage facitlites.
Goldman-Sachs. FRB.
"The high office of the president has been used to  foment a plot to destroy America's freedom, and  before I leave office, I must inform the citizens of  their plight." - Pres. John F. Kennedy?
"The enemy is in Washington" - Robert N Taylor.

"Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" ~ Calvin Coolidge.

I thought I would check out the opinion polls for the two candidates, and what is striking is that from just before the end of June until a few days ago Donald Trump has often had days where he's been in the lead. I wonder what must have been said near the end of the conventions that has moved Hillary Clinton into a slightly stronger position? Time will tell if the trend continues or events prove decisive. 

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis Don't matter who wins they sides of the same card..elitists, panders, liars,ego centricists, self centered and hypocrits. tho the Billary leads in the later four. Ya want Obammite socialism redux with a twist ya vote the Billary. Ya want the neo con version of the heyday of wall street promotion and enrcichment viz crony and corrupt capitalism ya vote the Trump. All in all its a Hobsons choice afaic.

I do tend to agree with you there Centrix. (Though i always find it strange that Americans think Obama is "socialist", as i don't see they are really very much close to soviet communism/collectivism.) You said it better and more short/concise than me.
I never do like any of the mainstream parties (esp the 2 main ones) and candidates (esp those 5 main ones in original post) for similar reasons. I wouldn't vote either of the main 2 parties or those main previously-5 candidates unless they were the only choice, or unless tactical vote against the other.
Unfortunately the common people/masses still vote (& fight for) the 2(/+) mainstream parties. "tweedle-dum, tweedle-dee". 
"Left party & the trades union funding, right party & the businesses funding".
If only the people would not vote the two main parties  and would vote for a decent 3rd party.
There needs to be a synthesis of (monarchy,) aristocracy (best rule) and democracy (direct rule of each, any & all of the common people), and not tyranny, oligarchy and ochlocracy.
Though the main purpose of the thread was to see if is a way to predict who will win (without implying i support/like any of them (plus if we can have a good influence to avoid badies being voted).)

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Please support our fight against poison water fluoridation. Those not for us are against us. Mainland Europe has banned it but they still forcing it on us in USA, UK, Ireland, RSA, Aussie, NZ, Turkey, Israel. I can't do anything bymyself even though i have smashed their "reasons" (proven they are wrong in our Paper) but they refuse to stop forcing it and we need others support. (I can't form a freedom fighters front due to combination my situation and condition and my studies, other wise i darn well would/could.) (Tooth decay is caused by Bacteria (and exaserbated by sugar that they also pour in our foods).) This should be one of the very first Political Party policies as clean running home tap water is an essential necessity of daily life. They are not just "helping" a few disadvantaged, they are harming disadvantaged like me (and helping the advantaged by reverse leveling). (Every human and lifeform deserves a Natural chance at not being deprived of best quality and quantity life. Natural water is best.) If "disadvantaged" people can't even be bothered or able to brush their teeth then how are we disadvantaged supposed to be able to get daily/weekly clean water? (If everyone was able and going to get a water filter then why bother putting it in? Why shold we have to take out what they put in? I am not able to have a filter here due to plumbing problems etc, and there are no other options. (They come up with every ridicuous hyper-individualistic option.)) Don't vote for any candidate who doesn't have the decency or guts to take a stand on stopping water fluoridation  (and stopping pouring sugar in foods). Muslims don't poison/fluoridate their water, but (Bristish, Colonialist) "christian" countries and Israel do, so who are the real "terrorists"? No more "kool-aid" (wormwood,) aqua tofana.
This is my signature to every forum and every topic and every post because otherwise i am too angry to post at all. And it is relevant here: which of these Presidential candidates/parties stands against fluoridation?



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 01-Aug-2016 at 16:15

This thread is not about fluoridstion. Iow. A-R put that elsewhere. Stay on topic or I lock this down.