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Originally posted by Mosquito Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Must I tell you again, Mosquito, really??? If I tell you your link is to a site who are anti-Semitic Holocaust-denying New World Order conspiracy theorists, does that sound like a reliable source in any way or form? I dont care for the site. In this case they have used the article of the historian whom I know and who is reliable. I have partly confirmed his claim by the article in Jewish Press which I have found and post the link here. The fact that someone who is not reliable is using materials of someone who is reliable, when it fits to his theories, doesnt make the second one not reliable. In the article the author gives names and also tells where are the documents which he has used. Piotr Zychowicz is a young famous in Poland historian of the new generation, known for writing controversial books. He has written several bestsellers including: "Madness 44" about Warsaw Rising, criticising Polish underground for starting uprising, "Ribbentrop-Back Pact" - in which he describes Polish - German relations between 1919 and 1939, suggesting that Poland should have joined 3rd Reich instead of fighting against it and after USA joined the war it should have betray Germany and change sides. And "Pilsudski-Lenin Pact or how the Poles saved bolsheviks" - which criticise Polish goverment for signing peace with Soviet Russia in 1921.

Originally posted by Mosquito Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Your Polish historian, Piotr Zychowicz, imagines it is possible to divorce the actions of the Third Reich in order to make an alliance? If so, and I don't say this about many, he's a fool, and what's more a dangerous fool. This kind of idiot is one step away from the apologist of atrocities, and would have sold out many of those fighting on their own side. You didnt read the book but already commented it? For your information, the allies of Germany in Europe were: Italy, Vichy France, Finland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria. They all changed sides during the war.

Edited by TheAlaniDragonRising - 11-Apr-2016 at 17:23

Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Think about it for a second. The Polish death camp would have been actually Polish death camps.

Most likely there would have been no death camps in Poland at all.

Originally posted by Mosquito Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Think about it for a second. The Polish death camp would have been actually Polish death camps. Most likely there would have been no death camps in Poland at all.

Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Somehow I think you're missing the point here. My guess is that the confirmation bias is well and truly engrained in your beliefs, but I shall endeavour. The point is here that even if I look back as an observer I don't see an evil regime hell bent on the final solution when looking at the Soviet Union.

Mu guess is that your bias and beliefs comes from your lack of knowledge. Hollywood movies taught you that Germans were evil and Soviets were good guys and your allies.

Did you ever heard that all my countrymen in Soviet Union before the war died in Soviet planned "final solution" known as Polish operation and that it happend before WW2? But I know that Jewish life for people like you is much more valuable than the Polish one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD_%281937%E2%80%9338%29

"The Operation was only a peak in the persecution of the Poles, which spanned more than a decade. As the Soviet statistics indicate, the number of ethnic Poles in the USSR dropped by 165,000 in that period. "It is estimated that Polish losses in the Ukrainian SSR were about 30%, while in the Belorussian SSR... the Polish minority was almost completely annihilated."Historian Michael Ellman asserts that the 'national operations', particularly the 'Polish operation', may constitute genocide as defined by the UN convention.His opinion is shared by Simon Sebag Montefiore, who calls the Polish operation of the NKVD 'a mini-genocide.'Polish writer and commentator, Dr Tomasz Sommer, also refers to the operation as a genocide, along with Prof. Marek Jan Chodakiewicz among others.

Statistical extrapolation, wrote Jasiński, increases the number of Polish victims in 1937–1938 to around 200–250,000 depending on size of their families."



Edited by Mosquito - 11-Apr-2016 at 19:11

Oh they were considered heroes, it has changed just during cold war. During the war your goverment was hiding all the facts about Soviet criminal regime which wasnt any better than Nazist 3rd Reich and most likely even worse if one take into consideration the number of murdered people.

And it doesnt matter how one calls his murderous activity, final solution, Polish or German operation.

So dont tell me how evil one would have become if he had allied with the Germans against the Soviets. FDR was shaking hands with his dear friend Stalin so lets avoid double standards.



Edited by Mosquito - 11-Apr-2016 at 19:39