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    Posted: 06-Apr-2016 at 14:08
Popular in Poland blogger Max Kolonko gives D. Trump the title of Man of the year. US elections from Polish perspective.

Turn on the english subtitles (avaible on youtube):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Exq2zJ2QA4

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Originally posted by Mosquito

Popular in Poland blogger Max Kolonko gives D. Trump the title of Man of the year. US elections from Polish perspective.

Turn on the english subtitles (avaible on youtube):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Exq2zJ2QA4

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Let the lunatic fringe have their man of the year. Even the Conservatives here in the UK wouldn't urinate on a burning Donald Trump if he was on fire. Truly a pariah  who could only muster around forty six thousand signatures in a petition of support in allowing his entry into the UK after a petition asking for his ban got just over half a million signatures. LOL
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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Apr-2016 at 01:55
I think Trump is just a hoax to hand the election to the opponent or to distract from someone else, maybe like the word trump means in dictionary, or like the final trump(et) in Revelation/Apocalypse. Donald Duck came to mind too? I'm neither pro nor anti him.
See my comment a couple of weeks ago at http://calltolight.org/2016/03/15/why-donald-trump-is-the-best-thing-to-ever-happen-to-the-usa/
I don't believe everything i see/hear in media (tv, papers, websites etc).
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Pathological liar,prestigious title belongs to him!Other titles after graduation that follows.Smile
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Apr-2016 at 07:26
well, he runs in elections against the whole establishment and against all the liberal media, which are against him and conduct against him defamatory campaign.

Why do you think that other candidates who take money for the campaign from the great corporations or from Jewish owned law firms and banks are better?

I belive that for many people in the USA Donald Trump is a real chance to change somthing in their country. Obama promissed it in the past but he was the same puppet of great corporations like those before him. At least Trump is too rich to get easily corrupted.

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Apr-2016 at 12:12
The "Donald" is a con man of the first order. He has appealed to every fringe agenda existing.
The liberal media is a term used by idiots like him. Even the conservative media is against him.

Jewish owned law firms and banks? And a hearty "Sieg Heil" to you too.

I was living near Atlantic City when Trump was actively building Casinos.
He would open a casino and promptly file for bankruptcy. He ruined dozens of small contractors, some lost everything.

I tend to agree with AR, Trump isn't serious. He has no intention of actually running for the office. He is running on ego only.
He hasn't a snow balls chance in hell of winning a general election.





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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Apr-2016 at 16:00
Saying the truth - that Jewish owned banks and law firms have huge influence on American goverment doesnt make anyone a nazist. "Sieg hail" is definatelly put in wrong place. It isint a secret that many important people in White House were working for Goldman-Sachs or will be working there after loosing their jobs in US administration. They do it all over the world, also in Europe. One our previous PM's was also working for them and he wasnt an economist nor any world class specialist but they did pay him huge salary, so one may ask why they do such things. Maybe for the same reasons for which Russians hired corrupted German chancellor Schroeder.

People like Trump always did exist in history. Even in ancient Rome. And even that time their candidatures for important offices were fiercly opposed by the establishment. 2000 years ago as well as now, the establishment didnt like "new people" (homo novus) especially if they were very rich, because such people were always too independent and less controlable by the political class. There is nothing that American establishment can offer to Trump, so once he will get the power he can act as he wish and it is thing that every establishment in every country and time hates most. Especially because so called "new people" dont have to play by the rules which the old establishment has enacted.


https://prof77.wordpress.com/politics/an-updated-list-of-goldman-sachs-ties-to-the-obama-government-including-elena-kagan/



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TRUTH OR FALSE?

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http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42012/list-of-goldman-sachs-employees-in-the-white-house/


Goldman Sachs Personnel in the Barack Obama White House


Lael Brainard: Brainard is the United States Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs in the administration of Obama.

Gregory Craig: Former White House Counsel, Recently hired by Goldman Sachs.

Thomas Donilon: Deputy National Security Adviser (despite having a career that is mostly involved with domestic politics). Donilon was a lawyer at O’Melveny and Myers and made almost $4 million representing meltdown clients including Penny Pritzker (of Chicago) and Goldman Sachs.

William C. Dudley: President and Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, partner and managing director at Goldman Sachs and was the firm’s chief U.S. economist for a decade.

Douglas Elmendorf: Obama Director of the Congressional Budget Office in January 2009, replaced Furman as Director of the Hamilton Project (Note that the Hamilton Project was funded by Robert Rubin and Goldman Sachs).

Rahm Emanuel: Obama Chief of Staff, on the payroll of Goldman Sachs receiving $3,000 per month from the firm to “introduce us to people", in the words of one Goldman Sachs partner at the time.

Dianna Farrell: Obama Administration: Deputy Director, National Economic Council. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Financial Analyst.

Stephen Friedman: Obama Administration: Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Board Member (Chairman 1990-94; Director 2005).

Michael Frohman: Robert Rubin’s Chief of Staff while Rubin served as Secretary of the Treasury and an Obama “head hunter” according to “Rubin Proteges Change Their Tune as They Join Obama’s Team” in the New York Times.

Anne Fudge: Appointed to Obama budget deficit reduction committee. Fudge has been the PR craftsman for some of America’s largest corporations. She sits, according to the Washington Post, as a Trustee of the Brookings Institution within which the Hamilton Project is embedded.

Jason Furman: Directed economic policy for the Obama Presidential Campaign, served as the second Director of the Hamilton Project after Peter Orszag’s departure for the Obama administration.

Mark Gallogly: Sits on the Hamilton Project’s advisory council. He is also, according to Wikipedia, currently a member of President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board.

Timothy Geithner: Secretary of the Treasury, former President of the New York Fed. a former managing director of Goldman Sachs.

Gary Gensler: Obama Administration: Commissioner of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner and Co-head of Finance.

Michael Greenstone: The 4th Director of the Hamilton Project. Just as attorney Craig went from advising Obama to defending Goldman Sachs against the SEC complaint, Greenstone has used the revolving door to go from an Obama economic adviser position to one of the Goldman Sachs outlets - in this case its think tank embedded in the Brookings Institution and funded by Goldman Sachs and Robert Rubin. All 3 previous Directors of the Hamilton Project work in the Obama administration.

Robert Hormats: Obama Administration: Undersecretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs, State Department. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs Group.

Neel Kashkari: Served under Treasury Secretary Paulson (a former Goldman Sachs CEO) and was kept on by Obama after his inauguration for a limited period to work on TARP oversight. Former Vice President of Goldman Sachs in San Francisco where he led Goldman’s Information Technology Security Investment Banking practice.

Karen Kornbluh: (Sometimes called "Obama’s brain") Obama Ambassador to the OECD. Was Deputy Chief of Staff to 'Mr. Goldman Sachs', Robert Rubin.

Jacob "Jack" Lew: The United States Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources. According to Wikipedia, Lew sits on the Brookings-Rubin funded Hamilton Project Advisory Board. He also served with Robert Rubin in Bill Clinton’s cabinet as Director of OMB.

David Lipton: Now on Obama’s National Economic Council and the National Security Council. Lipton worked with Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner on the US response to the Asian financial crisis of the 1990’s. MergeFoundations reports that Lipton worked closely with Robert Rubin.

Emil Michael: White House Fellow. Former investment banker with Goldman Sachs.

Eric Mindich: Former chief strategy officer of New York-based Goldman Sachs, started Eton Park in 2004 with $3.5 billion, at the time one of the biggest hedge-fund launches ever.

Philip Murphy: Obama Administration: Ambassador to Germany. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Head of Goldman Sachs, Frankfurt.

Barack Obama: Obama owes his career to Goldman Sachs which was not only his biggest financial contributor when he ran for the Presidency, but was also his biggest contributor when he ran for the US Senate.

Peter Orszag: Obama Budget Director. Founding director of the Hamilton Project, funded by Goldman Sachs and Robert Rubin. Wikipedia indicates that Robert Rubin, Goldman’s ex-CEO, was one of Orszag’s mentors.

Mark Patterson: Obama Administration: Chief of Staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geitner. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Lobbyist 2005-2008; Vice President for Government Relations.

Mark Peterson: Chief of staff to Timothy Geithner. Goldman Sachs Vice President and lobbyist.

Steve Ratner: The shady billionaire financier who Obama appointed as his “car czar” and who resigned after it was revealed that his company, the Quadrangle Group, was apparently involved in “pay to play” for a billion dollars or so of New York State pension funds, and was under possible indictment by the New York AG and the SEC. Sits on the Advisory Council of the Goldman funded Hamilton Project.

Robert Reischauer: A member of the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission from 2000-2009 and was its Vice Chair from 2001-2008. He too sits on the Hamilton Project’s advisory board.

Alice Rivlin: Obama named Alice Rivlin to his so-called Deficit Reduction Commission.

James Rubin: Son of Robert Rubin. Served as a 'headhunter' for Obama per the New York Times article, "Rubin Proteges Change Their Tune as They Join Obama’s Team".

Gene Sperling: Advisor to Timothy Geithner on bailouts. Sperling paid by Goldman Sachs for one year of consulting work.

Adam Storch: Obama Managing Executive of the Security and Exchange Commission’s Division of Enforcement. Former Vice President in the Goldman Sachs Business Intelligence Group.

Larry Summers: Obama chief economic adviser and head of the National Economic Counsel. Worked under Robert Rubin at Goldman Sachs.

John Thain: Obama Administration: Advisor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Former Goldman Sachs Title: President and Chief Operating Officer (1999-2003).
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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Apr-2016 at 02:12
Mosquito:

I don't think that anyone in the 2 mainstream parties and/or business is likely to be genuine hope of decent change, especially not Trump if he was building casinos like Red says & wikipedia says. (Though it is not impossible that someone could make it in through the main parties or business.)

There is evidence that it may be the Vatican not the Jews or Goldman-Sachs who are behind alot of things, like the harlot Babylon in Revelation. It is not easy to tell who is behind all this globalism, corporatism, digitalisation, transhumanism, etc though (COS, or Masons, or Mosad, or Focus, or Jesuits or Opus Dei, or Prism, or KGB, or FRB, or Golden Triangle, etc).

-> Romans/Imperials (Vatican/Papacy):

Bernie Sanders: "... and this is not Judaism, this is what Pope Francis is talking about, that we can’t just worship billionaires and the making of more and more money."
"Sanders's wife is Roman Catholic, and he has frequently expressed admiration for Pope Francis, saying that "the leader of the Catholic Church is raising profound issues." (Wikipedia.)

"In December 2014, after the secret meetings, it was announced that Obama, with Pope Francis as an intermediary, had negotiated a restoration of relations with Cuba, after nearly sixty years of détente." (Wikipedia 'Barack Obama'.)

"Trump retracted his criticism of the Pope: " I don't think this is a fight," said Trump. "I think he said something much softer than was originally reported by the media." " (Wikipedia, 'Donald Trump'.)

There is Latin in the Image uploader of this forum.

In the 2nd half of 2015, pro-Pope poster 'Kepha[s]' on christianityboard.com said to me "you will be assimilated".

-> Jews:

"Trump also has ties to the Jewish-American community." (wikipedia.)
[Dave Weasel who attacked Trump in http://thevalleyreport.com/ may be Jewish?]

"Sanders had a typical upbringing for his generation of American Jews: his father generally attended synagogue only on Yom Kippur; he attended public schools while his mother "chafed" at his yeshiva Sunday schooling at a Hebrew school; and their religious observances were mostly limited to Passover seders with their neighbors." (wikipedia.)

Clinton: "Israel's new friend: Hillary, born-again Zionist". (wikipedia.)
Lewinsky?

-> Goldman Sachs:

"Former Goldman executives who moved on to government positions include, but are not limited to, Robert Rubin and Henry Paulson who served as U.S. Secretaries of the Treasury under former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, respectively; Mario Draghi, President of the European Central Bank, and Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of Canada from 2008–13 and Governor of the Bank of England since July 2013." (wikipedia.)

-> Soviets:

Is Trump's wife's name Russian?



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Im not an American so I watch those things from outside but I think USA needs change and Americans needs it. Obama has promissed them the change but in fact he was even more the puppet of great corporations and banks than presidents before him. In fact it are the great corporations who elect US congress and pay for it 1,5 Billion dollars as donations to candidates for their campaigns. I cannot say when but it is obvious that nowadays USA is not a democracy but oligarchy. And it is oligarchy that is ruling US goverment.

The fact that Trump invested in casinos doesnt mean anything bad as long as they are legal.

As for the Vatican - dont underestimate its power ;) Catholic Church is the worlds biggest real estates owner and got both funds and influence.

Im neither pro nor against Trump. He dont run for the office in my country. But his case is very interesting. I think that it is obvious for anyone who can watch and think, that the whole establishment in the USA is against him.Both republican and democratic. Because he doesnt depend on any of them. He is even independent from the banks and corporations because got so much that they have nothing to offer him.
In my opinion Trump is very similar to some politicians of the populares faction in ancient Rome. They were usually very rich and they also had all Roman establishment against them, so to get the power and keep it they had to appeal to normal Romans and to represent their interests. Novadays it means that Trump would be a guy who would side with those Americans who were ruined by crisis against the banks which now control the goverment. Such person is extremly dangerous for American elites and they cannot allow him to become president. So Trump is alone against all those great who represent great capital, media and politics while behind him are the people who are dissapointed by the way in which America is run for last decades.

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I think that Trump can be easily compared to this ancient Roman politician. Just ignore military career because in Rome goverment offices were connected with the command in army:

From wiki:

Gaius Flaminius Nepos was a politician and consul of the Roman Republic in the 3rd century BC. He was the greatest popular leader to challenge the authority of the Senate prior to the Gracchi a century later.

In the aftermath of the First Punic War, Flaminius, a novus homo, was the leader of a reform movement that sought to reorganize state land in Italy. As tribune of the plebs in 232 BC, he passed a plebiscite that divided the Ager Gallicus (the land south of Ariminum, which had been conquered from the Gauls decades before) and gave it to poor families whose farms had fallen into ruin during the war. Contrary to the constitution and tradition, he did not seek consultation from the Senate, who would have been opposed to this decision.


In 221, Flaminius was magister equitum to Marcus Minucius Rufus, then in 220 he was chosen as a censor along with Lucius Aemilius Papus. During his term, he arranged for the Via Flaminia to be built from Rome to Ariminum, established colonies at Cremona and Placentia, reorganized the Centuriate Assembly to give the poorer classes more voting power, and built the Circus Flaminius on the Campus Martius. In 218, while serving in the Senate, he was the only senator to support the Lex Claudia, which prohibited senators from participating in overseas trade.
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It gets better and better:

Ted Cruz is part Italian: "Cruz has said, "I'm Cuban, Irish, and Italian, and yet somehow I ended up Southern Baptist."

Ted Cruz & Goldman Sachs:
"In January 2016, The New York Times reported that Cruz and his wife had taken out low-interest loans from Goldman Sachs (where she worked) and Citibank...."
"She [Cruz's wife] is currently taking leave from her position as head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. and previously worked in the White House for Condoleezza Rice and in New York as an investment banker."

Mosquito posted against Jews yet Trump has links with them:
"Trump Drinks (an energy drink for the Israeli and Palestinian markets)"
"In January 2013, Trump was a popular figure in Israel, and has, himself, owned land in Israel (the Elite Tower site). Trump released a video endorsing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during the 2013 Israeli elections."

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I agree that it is interesting that alot of mainstream are seemingly anti Trump, but i am sceptical from the little i have seen (i am no fan of that sort of rich people, business people, casino builders, person who has had 3 marriages, mainstream party politicians, real estate agents, etc), though i have not seen any much of his manifesto policies.
Just because he and his wife and daughter have blond hair (and blue? eyes) doesn't mean he is going to  be a good change for usa.
If people really want a decent change in USA then how about firstly stopping water fluoridation? If any politician was a hop of true change surely they would be stand up outright on issues like water fluoridation. Fluoridation also effects voters, as does the media. Does Trump say anything about the water if he really cares about common Americans?
Mosquito no offense but you come across as possibly secretly pro Roman/Vatican? John Paul 2 was Polish too. The "popes" are really secret emperors/Caesars.

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A freemason once told me that the Blue Masons KJV bible has list of Presidents who were masons. Does anyone have this list? (Please.)



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LoL

However, Im divorced and got a second wife. In the eyes of Church Im a sinner because my first marriage was catholic and for the church is still valid.

I guess that when I will divorce again and marry third time, you will put me to the same category of people as Trump ;) (im not planning it but who knows)

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As for Trump caring for common Americans I didnt say that he really cares. But as it will be his electorate and he will want to be re-elected, he will have to fulfil at least part of his promisses.

Lets come back again to ancient Rome. Do you think that people like Flaminius or Caesar did really care about common people? I doubt, but they needed them to stay in power.

So, there is a possibility that if Trump will become president, he will do for common Americans more than anyone before him during last 40 years. Not because he loves so much so called common people, but because everyone else will be against him.

On the other hand, do you belive that any of the candidates for presidents, coming from the establishment, sponsored by institutions such as Goldman Sachs, will ever do somthing for common Americans, or will only try to secure the interests of great banks and establishment, which is paying them now and will pay them in the future as well.

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Why do you keep mentioning ancient Rome?

I didn't say anything about the Church. I don't think i am bad for not being a fan of prominent people who marry many times, especially when some of us have had no one. I dislike reading the psalms for the same reason (King David had ~12 wives.) I was not judging you or anyone else. All i meant is that one has to consider everything when it comes to voting for people (and i gave a list of half a dozen things for starters in Trumps case). Maybe you shouldn't marry if you don't care about your partner to stay with them.

How can a person be a good change for USA if he/she doesn't care about common Americans?
Anyone in government should care about what is best for the Whole nation/community which includes the common people. "As above, so below".
If i was able to stand for president i would care about common people. I would be willing to do far better than Trump or any of them, the only question is if i would be able to.

Who is to say that "everyone is against him" is not a fake/hoax?

John Kasich "Religion ... formerly Roman Catholicism"
"Kasich was raised a Catholic, but considers denominations irrelevant, and stated that "there's always going to be a part of me that considers myself a Catholic."

these guys/gals of Goldman Sachs are certainly in many highish positions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_employees_of_Goldman_Sachs
but i not sure that they are the One behind all though.



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Originally posted by Arthur-Robin

Why do you keep mentioning ancient Rome?


Because ancient Rome was a place where republican system originated from and I see many analogies between modern day USA and ancient Rome. The mechanics of politics didnt change much. And history is used to repeat itself.

Maybe you shouldn't marry if you don't care about your partner to stay with them.

Who says that I dont care. But life is not a fairy tale. Like many things people also change.

How can a person be a good change for USA if he/she doesn't care about common Americans?


Because political interests of politicians can be combined with the interests of common people. Who is better: the one who doesnt care for people but is doing somthing for them because his political interest goes in pair with their economic interest or the one who cares a lot and does nothing for them? Every politician of American establishment seems to care a lot for the people, but once he get ower, he seems to care more for those who sponsored his campaign.

Anyone in government should care about what is best for the Whole nation/community which includes the common people. "As above, so below".If i was able to stand for president i would care about common people. I would be willing to do far better than Trump or any of them, the only question is if i would be able to.


So you prefer the politicians who care a lot for people, but they take money for their campaigns from Goldman Sachs and after they are elected they pay back their debt to Goldman Sachs and others with the money of common people. And when the interests of common people are in conflict with the interestes of banks, they do somthing for banks and nothing for the people. Thats exactly what happend in the USA during last crisis. The common people did pay for huge bailouts to the banks while in the same time over 700.000 american famillies lost their houses.

Who is the nation - the owners of banks or the common people?



Who is to say that "everyone is against him" is not a fake/hoax?


Nobody has to say it. Just check it yourself. With every new succes of Trump his oppoents get more and more money for their campaigns. Everytime when Trump's popularity raises, the other candidates recive more and bigger donations from banks. Sponsored media try to discredit him even more and more (however I must admitt that he does a lot to help them).

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I wish to be let out of this please, as i don't have the time and health to keep answering for myself. (How do i get myself into these situations all the time? I wouldn't have even been posting on here at all if it wasn't this cursed bent nose, fluoridated water, and other troubles stopping me from doing my paper studies off computer.)

I could be wrong, I know that i am sometimes/often wrong, but i am not always/all wrong. I personally don't see Trump as a genuine great hope nation builder even if he says a few interesting things and even if alot of people don't seem to like him. Not that i am against him, just not for him. But i am pretty out of touch not having a tv, radio, papers, etc. I accept that everyone is entitled to their own opinions etc. I wouldn't  vote for any of the 5 main candidates, unless i had only those 5 to choose from or unless tactical voting. Possibly maybe he is the best or  least bad of the 5, but i am not sure myself.


Because ancient Rome was a place where republican system originated from and I see many analogies between modern day USA and ancient Rome. The mechanics of politics didnt change much. And history is used to repeat itself.


Ah ok. Sorry I am a little bit paranoid ever since my popes/emperors discovery last year, and it seemed possibly strange. I wonder if that means that Caesar/"Cephas/Kepha"/Imperium is coming soon.

We seem to be in Spenglar's winter phase. The bible's iron(-&-clay)/4th-beast phase.
"Of the 22 civilizations that have appeared in  history, nineteen of them collapsed when they  reached the moral state the United States is in  now." (- Arnold J. Toynbee.)
(Modern Europe/world seemingly may be a composite of the Lion, Bear and Leopard (and Dragon)?)

Ancient republican Rome had some good things and some bad things. USA has some good things and some bad things. Somethings may be similar, somethings are different.

Trump  doesn't seem much of a Cato to me other than somethings he says perhaps?
He may have some good points, but he seemingly may also have some bad stuff.

Who says that I dont care. But life is not a fairy tale. Like many things people also change.


Ok. It just came across like you were saying i am bad for not being a fan of people who have married 2 or 3 or more times like Trump, and the way you said it was as if you were casually promoting it which is like not caring about staying with someone.
Some sources say that ancient Rome was very strong on family like the bible, in contrast to the likes of Carthage. Marriage and family is an important building block of Nation.
I don't judge people that bad has happened to. It just seems a bad impression that Trump has had 3 wives/marriages, like Kasich has been married twice too.

Because political interests of politicians can be combined with the interests of common people. Who is better: the one who doesnt care for people but is doing somthing for them because his political interest goes in pair with their economic interest or the one who cares a lot and does nothing for them? Every politician of American establishment seems to care a lot for the people, but once he get

ower, he seems to care more for those who sponsored his campaign.



Sure, it is true that there have been political leaders who have combined national interest and personal ambition. But i personally don't see Trump as being/doing that very much, except  a few things he says maybe. But then i am out of touch, and maybe i am just prejudiced against rich business barons & upper middle class.

I have not favorably mentioned or promoted anyone "who cares a lot and does nothing for them".

I don't agree that every American politician cares alot for the people, though they may "seem" to.
I not sure myself that politicians become corrupt (re care more for their sponsors) after they get into power, though it is human to not want to loose the position & pay. I think they are corrupt already before they get in.

We both agree that ones that care about their sponsors rather than the nation/people are bad.

I can not believe that anyone who has  looked at Trump's biography ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump ) can believe or honestly/genuinely claim that he is a great national hope.

It really comes down to what evidence is there and what do they stand for (all that they stand for), and why they are standing? Both what they say and what they do, all their life past and present, according to themselves and according to others, private life and public life, and their past record all the time in office if they have been. And if there are any other better candidates or not.

So you prefer the politicians who care a lot for people, but they take money for their campaigns from Goldman Sachs and after they are elected they pay back their debt to Goldman Sachs and others with the money of common people. And when the interests of common people are in conflict with the interestes of banks, they do somthing for banks and nothing for the people. Thats exactly what happend in the USA during last crisis. The common people did pay for huge bailouts to the banks while in the same time over 700.000 american famillies lost their houses.


I agree that the interests of the bankers and bad politicians are in conflict with the interests of the nation/people.

I never said i support/prefer any of the 5 mainstream candidates, or ones that take money from Goldman Sachs. The only person it could be said that i said i prefer is myself if i stood.
I posted possible evidences against all the 5 main candidates and Obama.
 What i posted tended/seemed to support the claims about Goldman Sachs. I certainly do not like any politicians who are associated with the likes of Goldman Sachs etc. I don't see how they can care about the nation/people and be serving Goldman Sachs at the same time.

Just because he doesn't seem to be in with Goldman Sachs doens't mean he isn't in with anyone else like say the Vatican, or organised crime, or masons, or just serving himself.

We (all the Western World ) are in crisis now and have been for decades. Some of us suffer hell everyday. I don't even have clean water to drink/eat.
"The real USA unemployment rate is 30%."
I heard a year or so ago that there are homeless people in the USA. (Don't know if Obama change that?)

No politician that doesn't take a stand outright against water fluoridation etc is in my good books.

Who is the nation - the owners of banks or the common people?


We both agree that the bankers are not pro the nation/people. Economics does have a part to play in the nation, but they shouldn't be ruling it / we shouldn't be serving it.

But, to my own view, Trump as a rich man, business man, real estate agent, property baron, casino builder, etc is closer to the bankers than the common people.
So I personally don't see Trump being much of a representative of the whole Nation.
As far as i can see, Trump is not that much of a Cato, or Rockwell, or Mussolini, or Jesus, or etc.

This is just a quick imperfect comment: The Nation includes all decent citizens, and the common interest, like we are all one organic body. "As above, so below". Everyone has dignity, and is able and encouraged to be the best without harming/hindering other decent people or the whole, where the best are in government doing whats best for the common interest of the whole Nation. Rather than just a small percentage of rich/wealthy people harming and hurting us others.

Nobody has to say it. Just check it yourself. With every new success of Trump his oppoents get more and more money for their campaigns. Everytime when Trump's popularity raises, the other candidates recive more and bigger donations from banks. Sponsored media try to discredit him even more and more (however I must admitt that he does a lot to help them).


Just because they don't like Trump and that the sponsors prefer others doesn't mean Trump is going to be a great national leader. Perhaps it could mean that he is the best of the 5 main candidates, but even that i am not sure of myself without knowing more. Perhaps if we could talk to him?
Just because he doesn't seem to be in with Goldman Sachs doesn't mean he isn't pro any other possible shady groups/people.

This reminds me of the Duterte article last year ( https://christiansaguyan.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/voting-for-duterte-a-biblical-response/ ).

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p.s.

"Clinton was also a member of the Order of DeMolay, a youth group affiliated with Freemasonry, but he never became a Freemason."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_who_were_Freemasons



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Why do you think that other candidates who take money for the campaign from the great corporations or from Jewish owned law firms and banks are better? 

Mosquito, you seem to be using the term "Jewish owned" as an adjective to add extra meaning to the following "law firms and banks". Can you explain why you're doing this. and why it wasn't appropriate to do the same to the great corporations, for example, Mosquito? I ask this as this tends to be the chew toy the rabid dogs of the nazi/neo-nazis brain dead goon squads nose around in the dirt for their gratification. It makes me laugh really, Mosquito, as many of them sing the virtues of their Christian backgrounds...etc...forgetting the Jesus being a good Jewish boy himself. 


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Mosquito, you seem to be using the term "Jewish owned" as an adjective to add extra meaning to the following "law firms and banks". Can you explain why you're doing this. and why it wasn't appropriate to do the same to the great corporations, for example, Mosquito? I ask this as this tends to be the chew toy the rabid dogs of the nazi/neo-nazis brain dead goon squads nose around in the dirt for their gratification. It makes me laugh really, Mosquito, as many of them sing the virtues of their Christian backgrounds...etc...forgetting the Jesus being a good Jewish boy himself.


It has nothing to do with nazi or neonazi ideologies. Its just a reality. Even Red did admitt here when I asked, that for 9 judges of highest court in USA the 4 are Jews.
When a friend of mine had stipendium on Harvard University he came back to Poland quite astonished that about 75 % if not more students of law on Harvard were "American Jews".
So concerning the fact that American Jews are a very small minority in the USA, they are in the same time the most influential. And the history which wasnt easy for them becuse they were a persecuated minority for more than a 1000 years made this nation, especially their disaspora outside Israel very conslidated and made them care for their own interests more than for the interests of their host country.
Because Jewsih diaspora is in possesion of the biggest banks, massmedia and most important law firms in the USA, they have an influence on many things, starting from US gverment and its policy, ending on rewriting history and deciding what is politicaly correct and what is not. Even when it come to producing hollywood movies which promote one or other vision of history: for example movie "Defiance" -which show brothers Bielski as great heroes but says nothing about war crimes they have committed.
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Mosquito, you seem to be using the term "Jewish owned" as an adjective to add extra meaning to the following "law firms and banks". Can you explain why you're doing this. and why it wasn't appropriate to do the same to the great corporations, for example, Mosquito? I ask this as this tends to be the chew toy the rabid dogs of the nazi/neo-nazis brain dead goon squads nose around in the dirt for their gratification. It makes me laugh really, Mosquito, as many of them sing the virtues of their Christian backgrounds...etc...forgetting the Jesus being a good Jewish boy himself.


It has nothing to do with nazi or neonazi ideologies. Its just a reality. Even Red did admitt here when I asked, that for 9 judges of highest court in USA the 4 are Jews.
When a friend of mine had stipendium on Harvard University he came back to Poland quite astonished that about 75 % if not more students of law on Harvard were "American Jews".
So concerning the fact that American Jews are a very small minority in the USA, they are in the same time the most influential. And the history which wasnt easy for them becuse they were a persecuated minority for more than a 1000 years made this nation, especially their disaspora outside Israel very conslidated and made them care for their own interests more than for the interests of their host country.
Because Jewsih diaspora is in possesion of the biggest banks, massmedia and most important law firms in the USA, they have an influence on many things, starting from US gverment and its policy, ending on rewriting history and deciding what is politicaly correct and what is not. Even when it come to producing hollywood movies which promote one or other vision of history: for example movie "Defiance" -which show brothers Bielski as great heroes but says nothing about war crimes they have committed.
I'm sorry, Mosquito, but exactly how I'm I supposed to tell the difference between the dirt scumbag nazi/neo-Nazi goons and their idiotic rhetoric and your rhetoric. I give you the benefit of the doubt just long enough for you to explain yourself clearly.
I'm at a loss, Mosquito, as to your meaning behind highlighting an ethnicity's religion. What exactly are you saying these people are doing, and what proof do you have that proves without a shadow of a doubt they have committed such acts? Btw there's quite a difference between admitting and confirming, Mosquito. When you suggest "admitting" that applies there had been wrongdoing, which you have yet to prove even in the most minute fashion. Confirming information which was already a matter of public knowledge is what you were looking for for further reference.
As for you trying, and may I say failing, to slur the Bielski Brother, that is already a very well know far-right conspiracy and slur which some tried to exploit just over a decade ago when someone said they believed they might have seen Bielski partisans with the Russian partisans in connection with the attack. Some others also came forward and said some looked like they were the Jewish partisans. All said there wasn't a belief Tuvia and his brothers were there. However the lies ar easy unravelled, Mosquito, and I once again say to you should distance yourself from the dirty scumbag far-right brainless goons. Three things about the claim. First, it is very plain from looking at photos of the partisans both Russian and Polish of that time, they looked remarkably similar, and that included the Polish Jewish partisans too. Second, the attack took place at night when it would have been even less likely to distinguish differences. Thirdly, and this is the critical evidence, the Bielski brothers and the Bielski partisans didn't even arrive in that area for another three months.
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