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    Posted: 27-May-2005 at 01:54

In northern iranian kurdistan and in Azarbaijan ,gypsies are called Qarachi,I think it is compsoed of Qara+ Chi(a turkish suffix which is used in persian and kurdish too)

With respect to your knowledge ,I don't think there is any relationship between Gypsies and Kharchin (a Mongoloid Tribe),or oguz turks.

Many of today scholars usually think Gypsies are of Indian origin.

LoL, thank for your messages, very interesting, I ever heard that Karachi city of Pakistan was named followed a fishman whose name was just karachi, perhaps he was a karachi Oghuz, I guess, hehe. however, I really never heard before that Gypsies were called qarachi too, did Gypsies of Iran live in black tents while Turks live in white tents?

Back to the topic of my thread, I really want to know if there're other Khorasan Karachi Oghuz descendants existing in modern Turkic nations, especially in historical Khorasan area, except Kharchai Tatars(a group of Karachi Oghuz fled from their Khorasan homeland to Kipchak steppes by Mongol force led by Chinggis Khan, and they had intermarriage with Kipchak, Bulgar, and others to form the present-day Kharchai Tatars) , I'm relatively familar with Kazakh's tribes, unfornuately, however, although there're many very famous ancient tribes existing in Kazakh nation yet, for example, Naiman, Keriet, Kangli, Karluk, even Kara Kitan, But, I still can't find any clue about Karachi oghuz, who were ever the most important branch of Oghuz Turks. A Hazara friend ever gave a list of Hazara people of Afganistan where is partly the historical Khorasan area too, (i think if I'm not wrong), but i found there're no such a tribe too, while I have noticed that Chahar (one of most important Mongol tribe have a same tribename) and Naiman among them. Anyone can give a tribe list of Turkman, Uzbek, Uighur, Azeri or Turkey Turkish if the memory about their nomadic ancient tribes exist today yet.

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Ok, I found something in Persian about Garaili and Qarai Turks in Khorasan:

تركهاى گيرايلى خراسان

"گيراى" ويا "گراى" كه در زبان تركى به شكل اسم مذكر بكار مىرود در زبان مغولى به معنى "لايق" و "مناسب" و "شايسته" است. ريشه آن شكل تصغيرى كلمه "كر" تركى به شكل "كر+ئى" است. همچنين "گئراى" كه آن هم نام مذكر است در تركى به معنى "آبى روشن" ويا "آبى آسمانى" است. اشكال مختلف اين نام به صورت "كئرئى"٫ "كيرئى"٫ "كيراى"٫ و "گيراى" در نامهاى طوائف مختلف خلقهاى تركى آذرى٫ تركمن٫ باشقيرد٫ قزاق ٫ همچنين بوره ت و مغول (با پسوند تصغيرى ت به شكل "كئرئ+يت=قريت"٫ "قارائيت") ديده مىشود. گيراى لقب خانهاى تاتار كريمه و داغستان ويا شاهزادگان منسوب به خانهاى شبه جزيره كريمه (در ساحل شمالى درياى سياه٫ واقع در اوكراين) هم بوده است. اين منطقه موطن تركهاى يهودى موسوم به قاراييت ويا قاراييم نيز هست كه محتملا با طوائف گرايلى-قارايى پيوندهايى دارند. ( بسيارى٫ قاراييت-قاراييم ها را از اخلاف تركهاى خزر شمرده اند. سايت زير٫ سايت مربوط به تركهاى يهودى قارائيت-قارائيم جهان است: http://www.turkiye.net/sota/karaim.html)

از طوائف امروزى ترك ساكن در استان خراسان٫ ريشه نام طائفه "گرايلى" (در شمال خراسان) به طور قطع و نيز نام طائفه ديگر "قراى" (قارايى) (در تربت حيدريه) محتملا ٫ همين كلمه است. (در ميان قزاقهاى قزاقستان در قرون وسطى طائفه اى كه در نام خود هر دو كلمه را يكجا دارد٫ بنام قارا گيراى وجود داشته است). برخى از ملىگرايان افراطى فارس سعى در ساختن شناسنامه جعلى براى گرايلى نيز كرده اند و ريشه آن را از "گريه ليلى" دانسته اند. !!!! همين همه فارس انگاران٫ در نبود مراكز تركى شناسى در ايران و محروم بودن تركهاى ايران از خواندن و نوشتن و آشنايى با زبان و فرهنگ و تاريخ و تبار خود٫ نام ايل "افشار" تركى را هم از افشردن فارسى٫ "بيات" تركى-مغولى را از بيت عربى٫ "آغاجرى=آغاج ارى" تركى را آقايى كه جر مىزند .... شمرده اند.

تركهاى قرايى خراسان

در تربت حيدريه استان خراسان طائفه اى از تركهاى آذرى بنام قرائى زندگى مىكنند. مسئله رابطه اين طائفه كه اقلا از قرن 18 در آن ناحيه ساكن است با طائفه تركى ديگرى بنام قاراس ويا قارايى در دشت قبچاق (قرن 13) هنوز محل مباحثه است. طائفه ترك آذرى قرايى مانند ديگر طوائف ترك ايران فرشهاى نفيسى مىبافند كه بنام خودشان٫ قرايى نيز معروف است (حتى بلوچها هم شروع به بافتن فرشهايى با اين نام كرده اند).

"قارا" ويا "قاراجا" (به رسم الخط فارسى "قرا" ٫ "قراجه"٫در تركى معانى بسيارى دارد. سياه يكى از آنهاست. قارا (معادل خاراى مغولى) در تركى باستان رنگى است كه به عنوان كد شمال بكار مىرفته است مثل قاراخانيان يعنىخانان شمال٫ (همچنين قراختايى ها)٫ قارا دنيز يعنى درياى سياه كه در شمال قرار دارد (در مقابل آق دنيز٫ مديترانه كه در جنوب قرار دارد). در نام شاهان و سلاطين ترك كلمه قارا (قرا ) به معنى قوى و نيرومند است. مثل قاراملك٫ قاراجوق و غيره. فرشهاى مشهور طايفه قرايى خراسان هم به سبب انتساب به اين طائفه ترك و همچنين به سبب مقاوم بودنشان قرايى ناميده مىشوند. همچنين در مقابل رده و رتبه دون و پايين٫ قارا رتبه ى بلند و مرتبه بالا را مىرساند. مانند قارا خان٫ قارا اوردو٫ قارا دون ٫ قاراپاپاق٫ قاراگؤزلو. و يكى از آخرين معانى قارا توده انبوه٫ متراكم و بىشمار است. مانند قارا قويونلو ها كه اتحاديه اقوام بىشمار تركى در مقابل آق قويونلو ها (با تعداد اندك قبائل) بوده اند. همچنين سركرده و بگ هايى كه تبعه شان كم شمار بود بيشتر لقب آق داشته اند تا قارا. در نامهاى جغرافيايى مانند قاراداغ٫ قاراجاداغ٫ قاراباغ٫ قارا سو٫ قاراتپه و غيره هم قارا نه به معنى سياه بلكه به معنى انبوه و متراكم است.

 



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 Again, I remind you Turks& Mongolians' origin is Mongolian Steppes. By the way, still, a great part of Oghuzes live in Mongolia. They're of the part of Oghuzes that didn't leave 'Otoken'. They've got Mongolian face and it's not because of living there; that's because of their origin.

It is not known that the origine of Turk & Mongols was in Mongolian steppe or not. The capital of Gokturuks was in Otuken and in Mongolia. But on the other hand the Khazars were forming the west edge of the empire at the Black Sea coast!!! What about Huns? They were fighting in France before Gokturuk. You cannot fix the Turks in only Mongolia.  

They have certainly different origines. Turks and Mongols are mixture of Chinese like nomads and Caucosoid like nomads. Turks are predominantly Caucosoid but Mongols are predominantly Chinese. They have mixed somewhere in steppes.

Dear gok turuk, you cannot neglect the fact that Mongolians have influenced the Turks deeply with Genghis Kagan.

Note: I gave just seen a documentary in National Geographic showing that there is a genetic relations between an Amazon Sarmatian warrior who lived 2.500 years ego in north of Black Sea and a Mongolian (most probably ethnically Turk) girl in Mongolia.

You may even not find a place of origin since it seems like there was a mixture during thousands of years. Cat like eye cannot be a sign of being Turk. What do you mean by cat-like eye? Like this?

  

Or like this?

or like this?

Or this one....

 
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Originally posted by Yungsiyebu_Uriankhai


LoL, thank for your messages, very interesting, I ever heard that Karachi city of Pakistan was named followed a fishman whose name was just karachi, perhaps he was a karachi Oghuz, I guess, hehe. however, I really never heard before that Gypsies were called qarachi too, did Gypsies of Iran live in black tents while Turks live in white tents

Does Qarachi means those who live in black tent in Turkic languages?
I just thought that it means those who do black or bad things because Gypsies are hated by local peoples.and No Gypsies I saw, used Millitary or camping tent and they were not black!!!!.

About the second part of your message I am sorry because I have no special knowledge about This subject.I hope other forumers would help you.I just read and will learn.
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Dear Cyrus:
Is This Mehran Bahari's article?He is not considered a reasonable and trustable source.
BTW because I don't know anything about Turks and Turkic languages so I can not judge about this article.

and one more question?(sorry not related to topic)

our sweet discussion in two years ago about iron and scythian,is realy disapeared?!!!completely


 



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Thanks, Cyrus, but I can't understand Persian, even my computer can't support this language, but I really hope to know what it wrote about Karachi. Did it mention that Karachi was one of Oghuz tribes, did it mention its tribal origins? and any Karachi leaders were mentioned in this article?  had the karachi some sub-tribes? where did they live except Khorasan?

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Welcome Back Hushyar!

Is This Mehran Bahari's article?He is not considered a reasonable and trustable source.

I just found it here, I don't know the author!

our sweet discussion in two years ago about iron and scythian,is realy disapeared?!!!completely

Many thing happened in our forum during your long absence, in fact our old forum was lost!

Thanks, Cyrus, but I can't understand Persian, even my computer can't support this language, but I really hope to know what it wrote about Karachi. Did it mention that Karachi was one of Oghuz tribes, did it mention its tribal origins? and any Karachi leaders were mentioned in this article?  had the karachi some sub-tribes? where did they live except Khorasan?

It doesn't talk about Karachis but as I said about Garaili and Qarai Turks in Khorasan, the first one seems to be related to Jews! and the second one is an Azeri tribe.
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Dear Alp Arslan,

   Hi there. Wish you all the best.

   Well, Khazars and Hunes dates back to Mongolian Steppes. They just made their way to Europe by fighting differenet nations. It's documentified that Hunes had wars with Germans. Right. But this does not mean they were European. Just look at all those famous books about Turks & Mongols. Why books? I see in my everyday life that all Turks on the right side of the river've got cat-like eye. Not because of all Mongols. Let me tell you this. In ancient times, whenever a foreigner stepped to Mongolia, he wasn't able to identify who was a Turk and who was a Mongol. Now, Mongolian influence? Mongolians were so small in population that even in the time of Chengiz Kan, a great part of his army was consisted of Turks. Alright, let's imagine this small population'd influence on Turkish tribes. Even if all of Mongols'd tried to marry Turks or something, they couldn't make all Turks look Mongolian. But, you see all Turks on the right side of the Sea've got Mongolian face.

   My ancestors, before 5th one, used to live in Kazakstan. My ancestors, before 9th one, used to live in Mongolian Steppes. We've got stories, telling us that no facial difference was found between a Turk and Mongol. For instance, Kyrgizes used to live far in north. Almost no reltionship, they had, even with Turks. Let alone for Mongols. But still, they've got cat-like eyes.

   I just want you to go for the details about Turks & Mongols. It's proved that their origin's somewhere in Altai and near Tianshan.

   Turks & Mongols are not Chinese; Chinese people are not Turkish and Mongolian. Now, chinese story is different. Almost 22000 years ago, a big tribe was living in Mongolia. When southern Mongolia get dry and turned into Gobbi Desert, a part of that tribe went to China and became the ancestors of Chinese people. Now, why the language is different? Because they've left Mongolia in an early time. That's it.

   Turks & Mongols are so simillar. Did you know that Turk Kakan classified Kyrgizes as Mongols, but they are one of the most early Turks. Or, on the other hand, Karaeits were considered as Turks, but they're not Turk, they are Mongol, you know that? Mate, it's proved that Turks' origin is Mongolia, right? You believe in that, don't you? How come a Mongol who lives in Mongolia have got cat-like eye, but a Turk who lives there also, doesn't? Even Mongols know that Turks are their brothers. I've got many Mongol friends. My uncle went back to Mongolia.

   My dear Alp Arslan, people living in Turkey (who don't look like Mongolian) are not the only Turks you may find in the world. All people (except Tajiks) living on the right side of the sea are Turks. The first place when Turks migrated after living Mongolia was Central Asian Turkistan. It was not Turkey. So, you'll find people speaking in a Turkish which is more simillar to ancient Turkish, looking to a Turk of ancient Times, and acting in a culture which's originated from Turks ancient culture.

   No way to be rude to you. Kendini igi bak.

 

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Dear Cyrus,

   Hi there. Hope your'e doing fine. Well, I'm not sure if 'karayli's are the same as 'Karachi's; but I wanted to mention this:

   There's a Turkmen tribe (by Turkmen, I mean Turkmenistan, North Eastern Iran, Afghanistan, and Central Asian countries; not a Tukey Turkmen) named' Keray' or ' kerey' (you may hear that with this pronounciation: 'Gerey'). They used to be in Chenghis Kan's army. So, they're called Mongolian Turkmens. There's a Kazak tribe, also, with the same name. They were also used to be in Chenghiz Kan's army. I don't know if this could be a help; but a piece of information. Take good care and take it easy.

 

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Dear All,

   Hi there. Hope you're doing fine.

   One thing I'll say for these things is that we've got two different issues for the word 'mongolian':

1- All people having cat-like eyes are classified as Mongolian; not because Mongols were their ancetors. Just because their origin's Mongolia. People like, Turkmenistan Turkmens, Kazaks, Kyrgizes, Uzbeks, Mongols themselves, Chinese, Tungus and a lot more are Mongolian.

2- The people living today in Mongolia and consisted of different tribes. Now, there's a point. Why there were called Mongols? Because, the tribe who used lead them was called Mongol? Of course no. After Chenghiz Kan gathered all tribes living Mongolia to make a nation-wide empire, they had a 'Kurultay' (parliment). In this 'kurultay', they decided to pick up a name for themselves. And the name was 'Mongol': (something close to) 'conqueror). And they'd got a small mixture of Turkish tribes. But most of the tribes were Mongolian.

   Anyhow, I've got a post another message; so that's about it for the time being. Take good care and just take it easy.

 

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Dear All,

   Hi there. How's it going? Fine, I'd hope. Well, as it turns out, I should remind you of something; especially to Alp Arslan:

I'm 'Gok Toruk'; not 'Gok Turk'. 'Toruk' is derived from the verb 'Toremek' which means 'to be born'. Take good care and take it easy.

 

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Originally posted by gok_toruk

Dear Cyrus,

   Hi there. Hope your'e doing fine. Well, I'm not sure if 'karayli's are the same as 'Karachi's; but I wanted to mention this:

   There's a Turkmen tribe (by Turkmen, I mean Turkmenistan, North Eastern Iran, Afghanistan, and Central Asian countries; not a Tukey Turkmen) named' Keray' or ' kerey' (you may hear that with this pronounciation: 'Gerey'). They used to be in Chenghis Kan's army. So, they're called Mongolian Turkmens. There's a Kazak tribe, also, with the same name. They were also used to be in Chenghiz Kan's army. I don't know if this could be a help; but a piece of information. Take good care and take it easy.

Sincerely,

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I guess you were talking about Kereit tribe, who was one of the largest one in western Mongolia during the time of Chinggis Khaan. Usually, people believe that Kereit, Naiman, Merkit, Ongud, Uriankhai, Tumad were Turkic groups in Mongol steppes or Siberian forest, while Tatar, Kitan, Buryat, Oirad, Bargud were Mongolic groups, and all of those tribes were eventually unified with Chinggis Khaan's Mongols to form the present-day Mongol people. I'm agree that Mongols and Turks are cousin that, not only because proto-mongol groups and proto-turk group probably share a common ancestor many many thousand years ago, but also because modern mongol nation was descentants of both ancient Mongolic and Turkic tribes.

And somethings very interesting here, I believe most people of the former Keriet tribe in Mongol steppes were absorbed into Mongol nation after Chinggis Khaan defeated and conquered them, but Chinggis Khaan, of course, couldn't allow his greatest enemy continue to exist as a whole tribe in his new-born empire, so, you can't find out any Kereit tribe among present-day Mongols except some individuals and family claim they were descended from Kereit tribe. However, those Kereit who served in Mongol army and immgrated into Turkistan or Central asia, although couldn't be larger than those who leave in Mongolia, I believe. however, you even can find out Kereit tribe among mostly Turkic nations in today's central asia, such as Kazakh, Kirgiz, Turkmen. On the other hand, most resource mentioned that Karachi was one of the largest Oghuz tribes in ancient time, I guess today's Oghuz desendants, like Turkmen, Azeri, Turkey Turkish should have much blood descended directly from them, but you would probably fail to find out Karachi tribe among those Turkic nations today.  More interesting, you perhaps never imagine that a very small groups of the Khorasan Karachi served in Mongol army immgrated back to Mongol steppes and keep their tribename there until modern days.

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It doesn't talk about Karachis but as I said about Garaili and Qarai Turks in Khorasan, the first one seems to be related to Jews! and the second one is an Azeri tribe.

I guess it should be an article about Kereit/Kerei tribe but not Karachi. Thanks anyway. I don't know if Azeri have also such a tribe named Kerei/Qarai today like Kazakh, Kirgiz, Turkmen, etc.

And... do you ever read this persian history work "Jami' at-tawarikh" by Rashid ad-Din? I know there're a chapter of "Oghuz and its relatives", in which Uighur, Kangli, Kipchak, Karluk, Karachi were recorded detailedly, but I don't get this book yet.

 

 



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Dear All,

   Hi there. Hope you're doing fine.

   One thing I'll say for these things is that we've got two different issues for the word 'mongolian':

1- All people having cat-like eyes are classified as Mongolian; not because Mongols were their ancetors. Just because their origin's Mongolia. People like, Turkmenistan Turkmens, Kazaks, Kyrgizes, Uzbeks, Mongols themselves, Chinese, Tungus and a lot more are Mongolian.

2- The people living today in Mongolia and consisted of different tribes. Now, there's a point. Why there were called Mongols? Because, the tribe who used lead them was called Mongol? Of course no. After Chenghiz Kan gathered all tribes living Mongolia to make a nation-wide empire, they had a 'Kurultay' (parliment). In this 'kurultay', they decided to pick up a name for themselves. And the name was 'Mongol': (something close to) 'conqueror). And they'd got a small mixture of Turkish tribes. But most of the tribes were Mongolian.

   Anyhow, I've got a post another message; so that's about it for the time being. Take good care and just take it easy.

 

Kind regards,

Iltirish

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I am so sorry I cannot agree with you ,acording to Chinese documents in the Han dynasty ,Hun are not mogolian ,at least don't look like chinese .and  do you know about the caucasian mummy fund in Tarim basin in UYghur region of china ,those mummy dates back to more tnan 2 thousand years ,and tarim basin  is very close to Mogolia ,why isn't  possibale for Toruk look like european ?  Turuk in central asia are not mogolian but you can say  we are asian ,yes ,kazakh and kyrgiz look very like mogolian ,but still some of them have green eyes ,and in my whole life in O'zbekistan ,I have never seen an O'zbek has slanted eyes ,or as what you said "cat like "eyes .(funny that how can a cat has slanted eyes ,wow ,in turkmenstan ,Chigis han 's army even slep with cats and made cats look like mogolian ,I mean cats have slanted eyes ), 

  the mogolian feature of central asian mostly comes from Chingishan's decendents ,I think !

  but I also believe turk in mogolia after hun has both caucasian and mogolian feature !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Gok_toruk and perdon,

You both misuse the word "mongolian". I see you use the word "Mongolian" as having asian features. But the word you should use instead of "Mongolian" is "Mongoloid". Mongoloid is the name of that race, but Mongolian is the name of a nation. So if you believe Turks were originally slanted eyed, you should say they were "Mongoloid", not Mongolians. Because Turks arent Mongolians, we are a much more different nation...
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Ghizigh Karintashim, Pedron,

   Sagh bol. Yashs. Yakhshi mi sen?  Well, I've read about those Chinese documentations. You know, in different history books, two different Huns are describes: White Huns and Yellow Huns. Well, yes, White Huns are like Europeanw. The descentents of White Huns, are, Bulgars, for instance. Now, why like Europeans? Because they're a mixture of Huns and Slavs (check the spelling). But, Yellow Huns are described to be Mongoloid (thanks to my dear Oghuz Oghlu  .

   Now, about Yellow hair and Green eyes, in some Kiptchak desent tribes like Kazaks and Kyrgizez, I should say, well... they used to live far in north. When you live in a place where you get snow fall and rain everyday, with a pretty cold temprature, it's really natural for your eyes and hairs to be green and yellow. That's what's happened to Northern Europeans like Finns, Dans and people of Iceland.

   Thanks also for your joke; but by cat-like eye, I mean pulled eyes just as all other Mongoloid. By the way, I was wondering about your words, telling me: 'and in my whole life in O'zbekistan ,I have never seen an O'zbek has slanted eyes ,or as what you said "cat like "eyes'. Man, I've got Uzbek friends with pulled eyes. How come you ignore your quality?

    Men ke yazaning ke de 'sagh bol' diyey men.Sen ke kop saghligh birle ulugh ligh istey men.  

 

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Dear Yungsiyebu,

   Hi there. Hope you're doing fine. Well, thank you very much to revise my piece. Yep, you were right. By the way, one thing I'll say about Azeri people is that they are originally Iranian. They were Iranians that Oghuz Turkish was compelled to them. Even today, in the tongue, you see ancient Iranian words. How do I know? Well, I can speak Farsi.

 

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Dear All,

   Hi there. How's it going? Fine, I'd hope. Well, I'm sick and tired of trying to prove we're not like Europeans (I've tried a thounsand times to ignor my Mongoloid face; but I can't!!! ). Listen, this should my be last message about our 'face's. But a clue to tell you what has happened:

   You know all about Chuvash and Yakut language, hmm? They're classified to be in Altaic group. Right? But they're the third group; the group which has got no similarities to Modern Turkish and Modern Mongolian; because they've left Mongolia in very very early times. One of them lives in NorthEastern Siberia and the othr around the river Volga; Chuvash is more simillar to Mongolian and Yakut is more simillar to Turkish; and they are more simillar to each other. Now, my words is that:

Even though they've left us in ancient times (before christ), still they've both got pulled eyes.

   That's about it for the time being. Dear All, I didn't mean anything. We're all Turks, right? Oghuz Oghlu and Alp Arslan was right. I agree with them, telling us: it's not our face that make us proud; it's our background. I just mentioned the way we looked back. Anyhow, sorry for all those headaches. Take good care and just take it easy.

 

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Benim eziz Oghuz Oghlum ve Alp Arslanim,

   Selam. Sizden cok uzur dilerim; biliyorum ki o sozler sizlere cok eziyet mish; ama indi sizin dilinize yazmishim ke deyim: Hepimiz Turkuz.

 

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Dear all!

Hi there. Hope you're doing fine!(you don't have to say the same words every time ,aren't you tired  

Just a Joke .No any offence to you ,I only joke with my hearty friend ,I take you as my hearty friend !to me  ,really, turkmen is best friend in central asia to O'zbek !!!!

 I am not trying to prove we look like Earupean ,but I think we have caucasian feature !!!! 

very ,importantly ,we have diferent views about eyes ,maybe ,we are talking about the same kind of eyes ,but you think it is pulled eyes ,but I don't think so !

the only pulled eyes in O"zbekistan are korean's eyes(Stalin forced those people to live in O'zbekistan ) ,their eyes are definitly pulled eyes!!

 

 

 

 

 

 
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