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    Posted: 20-May-2005 at 18:59
I've seen it spelled and heard it spoken many different ways. Salah al-Din, Saladin and a few different ways. I've read a few topics here and seen it spelled a few different ways. I'm looking for the definitive version, the best at being non-Anglocized. What would that be? (Aside from his name written in Arabic   Thanks!

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Salah al Din or Salahudin.. either way its an arabic name, NOTE not to say he was arab, definitly not, he was a kurd, but it was common to use names of arabic origins.
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Thank you! Ill go with Salah al Din from now on! Thanks!
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Originally posted by Fizzil

Salah al Din or Salahudin.. either way its an arabic name, NOTE not to say he was arab, definitly not, he was a kurd, but it was common to use names of arabic origins.

i think it depends on where is it in the speach actully.

functions and structure things.

 
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well yeah, it differs from arabic to turkish to persian in pronounciation, but since the origins of the name is arabic its kinda common sense to use the arabic pronounciation. I'm not stopping anyone from using a different pronounciation however.
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The Correct name is
Salah al din ayoobi.
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Doesnt Slah al Din mean someone loyal to his din (religion, believs)?

 
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yes.
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Salah Al Din is an Arabic name, but ironically Din is not an Arabic word.

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He was Kurd. But I dont know if Din comes from Turkish or Kurdish.(If nto arabic)

 
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"Din" is Persian. And he was Kurdish.
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Originally posted by Miller

 

Salah Al Din is an Arabic name, but ironically Din is not an Arabic word.

it is an Arabic word

 
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From Wikipedia

Kurdish: Selaheddn Eyb, Arabic: Salah ad-Din Yusuf Ibn Ayyub; Salah ad-Din means The Righteousness of the Faith
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Turkish: Selahaddin (sometimes Selahattin) Eyb / Eybolu

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But truth is he was a Seljuk, a kurdish citizen of Seljuk Atabeglik.

He spoke Turkish.

And he gave a Turkish name to his brother: Tug-Tekin.

Din is a Persian word.
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That's right...

 
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But truth is he was a Seljuk.

No he was not Saljuq,And citizenship didn't have any meaning at that time. Were MamAliks were Kurds because they were citizens of a Kurdish Empire (ayyubids)?These reasoning is ridiculous.They were Muslim thats all.At that time only two official language were used in Islamic countries,Persian and Arabic.Official language of Ayyubid dynasty was Arabic.
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He spoke Turkish.

Source?
We only know that he wrote some letters and they are in arabic.
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And he gave a Turkish name to his brother: Tug-Tekin.

No This is wrong.He had two brothers TurAnshAh and Seyfoddin Adel.First name is persian and second name is Arabic.And Tugh Takin is not name ,Its a nickname.
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Din is a Persian word.

Din has been mentioned in Quran,So devoted Muslims believes that Din must be Arabic like every other words that has been used in Quran,but some linguistics thinks that Din in Arabic is actually from DAena in Avestan.

 
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Dude my source is a Turkish one. Kamuran Gurun' s book. He does not say, he was pure Turkish. Everybody accepts he was a Kurd.

Even today there are many Kurds in Turkey.

Turgut Ozal, a Kurd, was our prime minister and president. That does not make us a Kurdish Republic. Likewise people will remember him as the president of Turkey.

Selahattin was a chief lieutenant of Zengi, Atabeg of Mousul Seljuks.

Until Pahlavi Shahs and 1917 arabic betrayel, all you guys were Turkish Empire citizens. Seljuk, Safavid, Ghaznavid, Ottoman, Timurid, Il Khandid, etc...

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Selahattin was a chief lieutenant of Zengi, Atabeg of Mousul Seljuks

And MamAliks were slaves that were used as bodyguards of Ayyubid kings.

Originally posted by HulaguHan


Until Pahlavi Shahs and 1917 arabic betrayel, all you guys were Turkish Empire citizens.  Seljuk, Safavid, Ghaznavid, Ottoman, Timurid, Il Khandid, etc...

Except from Othman Empire (which has a very differnt story),may you tell us what factors make the residents of a country as Turksih citizens.
1)Rulers are Turkish originated,So In 1990-1993 you were a kurdish citizen (Thank you for your reminding)
2)Official language was Turkish?Well in QAjArs ,Safavids,Slajuqs and Khwarazmshahids official language was Persian.
3)Majority of peoples are Turkish origin? I don't think this was true even for Rum Saljuqs.

One more thing
Turgut Uzal was not kurd,He just in 1989 claimed that (claimed) he thinks (thinks) his maternal grandmother maybe (maybe) was kurd.So be sure in 1990-1993 you were not a kurdish citizen.
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Originally posted by Hushyar

Originally posted by HulaguHan


Din is a Persian word.


Din has been mentioned in Quran,So devoted Muslims believes that Din must be Arabic like every other words that has been used in Quran,but some linguistics thinks that Din in Arabic is actually from DAena in Avestan.

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