What is the correct version of Saladin�s name?

Originally posted by Miller Originally posted by azimuth well there were alot of christan and jew arabs living in Arabia before islam what do you think they called heaven and hell? There were Jews and Christians living in Arabian peninsula( not in Mecca), but they did not speak Arabic. Christians spoke Syraic. I hope you are not saying that prophet learned all these concepts from talking to Christians and Jews. My understanding was that Arabs were suppose to be in Jihalet period ( ignorant of teachings of God) before Islam was revealed

as i said there was ARABIC jews and christans and they lived in makka and in yemen too before islam and they spoke arabic.i dont think they spoke syraic or other languges at least not as their first languages.

plus the word we are talking about here was din which means religion and whatever religion they had they must called it din there are no other word to describe religion but Din. even before islam.

 

Originally posted by Miller Originally posted by azimuth the borrowed bit is not sure off since i still think that it is an arabic word Many of these concepts were introduced to Arabs by Islam. What were the pre-Islamic Arabs talking about when they used words like heaven and hell in their conversation why did they have words for concepts they did not believe in or knew about

well there were alot of christan and jew arabs living in Arabia before islam what do you think they called heaven and hell?

Originally posted by Miller Originally posted by azimuth but generally if the word is used for more than 1000 years it is part of the language Interesting rule!

i didnt say that it is a rule. i put 1000 years as an example which obviously you liked

anyway my point is as long as the word is used by the people in their language to a point that when you ask anyone of them they would say that this word is their word and their language consist of this word and other words. then its Part of that language and its orgin is from different language.

Originally posted by Moustafa Pasha His real name in Arabic is Salah El Din Yousef Ibn Ayoub known in te islamic world as Khalifa Salah El Din El Ayoubi, who united the Moslem world and defeated the crusaders.

i think he is known as Sultan Salah El din not khalifa

Originally posted by ramin Originally posted by azimuth the word mosque is an ENGLISH word with an Arabic orgin in Arabic it is Masjed. so, for example "Iran" is an Arabic word because you were using it for many many years! right?!

i dont know how to get my point to you here, well i'll try  Mosque is Not an Arabic word  ok?

the word Mosque is an english word used by english speakers and some other languages maybe but not used in ARABIC.

the word mosque came from the word masjed which is a word used by Arabic language and other languages i think too.

so it is an english word with an Arabic orgin how many times did i wrote that already!!

you at your posts some where wrote or copied  ARABIC words with Persian orgin !!!!

so why is it hard for you to understand that?

the word Iran is a country name. when we as Arab say iran it means the country called iran. that what it means to us.

to you maybe it would mean a larger region. so its a name of country to us. doesnt have another meaning like you.

so YES  Iran in Arabic is called Iran.

 

 

Originally posted by ramin Originally posted by azimuth so if you spoke to a spanish speaker and asked him if the word Aruz is spanish he will say YES and its originally ARABIC. NO they won't.... Nobody NORMAL will tell you the origin of a word when having conversations! besides, not everybody has studied linguistic.

ok then they would say that it is spanish word. fair enough. and an educated one who knows the word's orgin would say its spanish word which its orgin is Arabic.

in Arabic we still use the same word.

Originally posted by ramin Originally posted by azimuth Arabic words does not exist in Spanish Dictionaries, that why they call it Spanish dictionaries. not Aarabic Spanish Dictionaries. they must indicate the origin of the word, just like English dictionaries; when you see a de or fr you'll know they're German and French, or Persian dictionaries; if you see a "ain" it means it's Arabic "far" means French, so I assume all dictionaries indicate the origin of each word, maybe not Arabic ones.

they must indicate or they must not indicate     the point is that it is a Spanish dictionary which deals with spanish words. and explain them, in the explaining it may mention the ORGIN of the word if it is Arabic , latin or whatever.

 

Originally posted by ramin Originally posted by azimuth again the words are part of the language and the language consiste of these words putting aside where the words came from that's why we have a science called etymology and linguistics.

i know.!

so the misunderstanding i think is between the Word in the language and its orgin.

 

Originally posted by ramin Originally posted by azimuth hope that example is good enough. no it wasn't at all

well iam repeating what iam saying everytime and i dont think that you are getting my point each time.

 

 

Not only Salahaddin, but also the infantry forces of all Seljuk Atabeghliks of that region were composed of non Turkik branches.

Turkiks formed the cavalry.

Saladdin Army was not composed of Turks only,There was kurds and Sudanese and also barbars in his army,Even in His mamalik detachments there were georgians as well as Qipchaq turks,And Arabs.

Actually Arabs played a very active role in army of saladdin,there were many syrian desert nomads,Hejaz arab tribes and local syrian forces ,he aslo heavily used egyptian forces in his army.(his personal guards, fadayees, were not kurds or mamlukes they were Egyptians)

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Originally posted by azimuth the word mosque is an ENGLISH word with an Arabic orgin in Arabic it is Masjed.

so, for example "Iran" is an Arabic word because you were using it for many many years! right?!

Originally posted by azimuth so if you spoke to a spanish speaker and asked him if the word Aruz is spanish he will say YES and its originally ARABIC.

NO they won't.... Nobody NORMAL will tell you the origin of a word when having conversations! besides, not everybody has studied linguistic.

Originally posted by azimuth Arabic words does not exist in Spanish Dictionaries, that why they call it Spanish dictionaries. not Aarabic Spanish Dictionaries.

they must indicate the origin of the word, just like English dictionaries; when you see a de or fr you'll know they're German and French, or Persian dictionaries; if you see a "ain" it means it's Arabic "far" means French, so I assume all dictionaries indicate the origin of each word, maybe not Arabic ones.

Originally posted by azimuth again the words are part of the language and the language consiste of these words putting aside where the words came from

that's why we have a science called etymology and linguistics.

Originally posted by azimuth hope that example is good enough.

no it wasn't at all

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Originally posted by Fizzil Salah al Din or Salahudin.. either way its an arabic name, NOTE not to say he was arab, definitly not, he was a kurd, but it was common to use names of arabic origins.

Moustafa Pasha

His real name in Arabic is Salah El Din Yousef Ibn Ayoub known in te islamic world as Khalifa Salah El Din El Ayoubi, who united the Moslem world and defeated the crusaders.

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I think you are saying if a word is borrowed from another language but is used in arabic that word becomes arabic

 

 

Originally posted by azimuth well the imortant thing is it is an ARABIC word

Is that because you said so?

What kind of use pre-Islamic Arabs would have had for words like heaven and hell. They had no knowledge of many of the concepts introduced by Islam to them, and did not believe in these concepts,. Why would they have words for concepts they never had to refer to?

I hope you know that Gabreil knows other languages beside Arabic